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for the masses headline additional july

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide

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would vanish if we were facing an alien

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is fade to world with your host jimmy

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church

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on the game changer radio network and

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i need your help to get to the year

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you're listening to fate to flag with

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good evening payton black

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how you doing how you doing today is

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only 324 days left

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the middle of beautiful downtown burbank

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listening all around the world

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the game changer network and kg r a

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the planet i am your host jimmy church

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what is cracking everybody how you doing

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how are you doing all right

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anybody know what's going on tonight

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anybody know anybody know what's going

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up first at the bottom of the hour

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giorgio suculos

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of ancient aliens is here and

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right after that second half of the show

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tonight dave schrader

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of the holzer files is with us

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how cool is that what a great show

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and then there is tomorrow it's thursday

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it's another fader night with open lines

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all night long that's right i get to

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with all of you so there you go uh what

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we got coming up so uh sit tight kitties

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it's uh it's gonna happen it's gonna

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had billy carson on i need you to get

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have youtube troublemakers i i'm i'm

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eating coconuts gilligan's island comes

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who's who's in the class this year these

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carole king her birthday was yesterday

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25 years right so kate bush okay 25

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good call foo fighters foo fighters to

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two new the go-go's i'm down

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right iron maiden down for that

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chaka khan i laugh every time

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new york dolls down for that rage

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and you know my love for rage against

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the machine too early

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that's a new band that's a modern band

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man you know todd rugran's been waiting

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50 years tina turner

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carol king rage against the machine and

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let's see who makes the cut uh they're

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cracking happy birthday to today

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laura dern laura

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friggin dern is 54.

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blue velvet right huh

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wild at heart what was her name in wild

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um uh but uh no lula though in wild at

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can't forget about that

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twin peaks part two right hbo showtime

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something like that she was great elton

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john's drummer nigel

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olsen today is 72 i always remember

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nigel

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he had his name on his drum set yo right

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there on his kick drum

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nigel olsen that long straight black

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hair

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and you always knew who it was the

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coolest name

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ever for drummer nigel olsen and i think

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my memory is like he had nigel

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olsen on one drum kick drum on the other

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kick drum and said elton john

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which is pretty cool i i i don't know

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why did he ever have like nigel on one

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and olson on the other

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did he do it like that or was it always

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just nigel olsen

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on one drum and elton johnson

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i just can't remember that's going back

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to the 70s happy birthday nigel olson

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our dead guy's birthday today is moment

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of silence please

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1962-1986 died at the age of 24.

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cliff was the basis for metallica

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from march 1983 until his death

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now cliff played on metallica's first

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three albums

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kill them all ride the lightning that's

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right and

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master of puppets september 27th 1986

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around 7 a.m he died in a bus crash

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in cronenberg county a rural area of

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southern sweden as metallica toured in

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support of the master of puppets album

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his men cliff burton man

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i'm all shook up he's been recognized as

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a very influential musician

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and everybody knows that playing that

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distortion pedal man

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uh those bass solos were just incredible

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and the accolades came

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uh after his death as well he placed

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ninth in a 2011 rolling stone magazine

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poll of the greatest bassist

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of all time he was inducted into the

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rock and roll hall of fame as a member

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of metallica

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on april 4 2009 died at the age of 24.

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incredible happy birthday cliff on this

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day in history otd

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1996 it went down when world

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chess champion gary kasparov loses

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the first game of a six-game match

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against deep blue an ibm computer

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capable of evaluating 200 million moves

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per second

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but kasparov did

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win the match lost the first game he had

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to figure out what was going on

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but he he won the match three wins two

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ties

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and the one loss on this day in 1996

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fader fact dolph lundgren

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that's right rocky dolph

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that's right he has a master's degree in

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chemical engineering from the university

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of sydney

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and the royal institute of technology

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and a fulbright scholarship to mit

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that's right and that is your fader fact

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all right this week

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tv week here on fade to black tonight

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we have two two very special guests

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giorgio suculos of ancient aliens and

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dave schrader of the holzer files

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and uh coming up after the break it's

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giorgio and then

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second half of the show tonight it's

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dave schrader and then of course

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tomorrow night is fader night with open

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lines

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all night long all right does

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laura still live in silver lake

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you know david the fact that you know

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that

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kind of freaks me out

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it would seem though that she would live

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in silver lake

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there's a couple of pockets of silver

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lake silver lake now is better than it

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was it was a little dicey there

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silver lake being right next to uh in

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between hollywood and

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and glendale but uh

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but there's this hill in silver lake

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um and there's a hillside also in silver

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like the higher you get the nicer it

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gets

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but there's this hill in silver lake

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right in the middle of town and

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and unless you knew it was there you

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wouldn't there was gates that you have

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to get through but you go up there

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there's like eight houses up there

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ginormous

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um right in the middle of uh silver lake

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but no i didn't know

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i did not know that she lived in silver

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lake but

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it does bother me david that that you

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know that

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all right all right let's let that one

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go

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all right river moon coffee thank you

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juanita thank you jeff you guys are the

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absolute best

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this this is a special cup of of river

404
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moon this

405
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is river moon coffee fade to black blend

406
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right

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with a shot of espresso

408
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love rita love my river moon coffee

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rivermoonwellness.com you can also visit

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the river moon

411
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amazon store all right yeah dolph

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lundgren

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that guy right there thank you

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corey 106

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who would have guessed who to guess all

416
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puma punku

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i remember it like it was yesterday

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it was back in 2009

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with the launch of ancient aliens

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and here we are 12

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years and 16 seasons later

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puma punku

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episode like three times that first

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night

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i could not believe

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right i've been rewinding it

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and it was a two-hour show back then it

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was two hours

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they ended up cutting those first like

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three episodes

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in half stretching it out and getting

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maybe it was like six hours getting a

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full season

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out of uh uh ancient aliens those those

435
00:21:51,350 --> 00:21:48,559
first few episodes

436
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true story and so that's how they did it

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i was taking notes literally taking

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notes i mean i couldn't believe it

439
00:22:10,830 --> 00:22:06,960
so i turn around pumapunku man

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i looked it up on the net i

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00:22:16,549 --> 00:22:13,679
found nothing now

442
00:22:18,549 --> 00:22:16,559
well that's not completely true i think

443
00:22:21,029 --> 00:22:18,559
i found something

444
00:22:21,669 --> 00:22:21,039
but it was spelled a little different

445
00:22:27,590 --> 00:22:21,679
and

446
00:22:29,590 --> 00:22:27,600
i was i was i was trying to search

447
00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:29,600
for the way i was saying it does that

448
00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:31,440
make sense and i was rewinding it i'm

449
00:22:35,830 --> 00:22:31,760
like

450
00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:35,840
puma punku right but but anyway

451
00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:39,280
um but i did find it and

452
00:22:44,310 --> 00:22:41,520
there was nothing there there was no

453
00:22:46,149 --> 00:22:44,320
real info there was like a name

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there was like a little thing a little

455
00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:47,679
blurb

456
00:22:51,029 --> 00:22:49,440
but i couldn't find anything but two

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things

458
00:22:58,310 --> 00:22:55,200
uh stuck out you know

459
00:23:01,350 --> 00:22:58,320
about this entire situation and that was

460
00:23:03,190 --> 00:23:01,360
robert clottworthy

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00:23:05,590 --> 00:23:03,200
said you know the narrator of ancient

462
00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:05,600
aliens said that the site

463
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may be 15 000 years old

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00:23:16,630 --> 00:23:13,200
now holy crap write that down right

465
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15 000 years old and those

466
00:23:24,710 --> 00:23:21,200
h blocks all right now

467
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:24,720
back then it was all that i could think

468
00:23:27,909 --> 00:23:25,919
about

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00:23:29,110 --> 00:23:27,919
i brought it up as often as i could with

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my friends

471
00:23:32,950 --> 00:23:32,240
but most hadn't seen the show or you

472
00:23:36,070 --> 00:23:32,960
know

473
00:23:39,029 --> 00:23:36,080
ancient aliens it was too new and nobody

474
00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:39,039
heard about uh

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00:23:46,310 --> 00:23:42,480
nobody heard about pumapuku

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00:23:51,350 --> 00:23:49,590
back then i mean i was i was tripping

477
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and i'd be around my friends i'm like

478
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dude puma it's 15 000 years old they got

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these

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h blocks you know they've got the star

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the stone it's called diorite

482
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and it's harder than diamonds and and

483
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you know and they had nothing up there

484
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they had no trees and there's 12 000 at

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foot altitude

486
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and and how do they do this and

487
00:24:18,870 --> 00:24:15,350
but today

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everyone gets it right bring a puma

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punku you have a good conversation

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right and um i even have an h block pin

491
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you may have seen me wear it uh i wear

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it

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know

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gifted to me from giorgio

495
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but back in the day i was on a mission

496
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i was and about a month after the show

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first aired

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i i got a chance to hang out with michio

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kaku

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and and i tell michio the whole story i

501
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tell him everything puma punku

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he's like what i said it's in bolivia

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he's like okay

504
00:25:00,149 --> 00:24:58,080
all right i tell them about the h blocks

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the die right that it's possibly

506
00:25:03,909 --> 00:25:03,200
15 000 years old and he was like wait

507
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wait wait

508
00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:08,320
wait let me stop you right there

509
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ice age and i go yeah i know and he's

510
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like 10 000 bc

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you know 12 000 years ago that's it

512
00:25:18,549 --> 00:25:16,480
nothing before

513
00:25:20,310 --> 00:25:18,559
you know and i actually replied with you

514
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know but meet you yeah but

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and he cuts me off cuts me off with him

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00:25:28,789 --> 00:25:27,039
he's like no no no no there was nothing

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before 10 000 bc

518
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besides you can't date rock this is what

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he said

520
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you know now here's the deal with me

521
00:25:44,549 --> 00:25:42,159
i thought that everyone has an open mind

522
00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:44,559
you know and that these are discussions

523
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that intellectuals have

524
00:25:52,710 --> 00:25:50,240
you know spirited debate he would have

525
00:25:53,830 --> 00:25:52,720
nothing of it and i was pretty bummed

526
00:25:55,990 --> 00:25:53,840
about it

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he had just released a new book which he

528
00:26:00,549 --> 00:25:57,440
had signed for me

529
00:26:02,149 --> 00:26:00,559
about ancient civilizations and uh alien

530
00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:02,159
civilizations and

531
00:26:07,750 --> 00:26:05,360
dyson's fears and contact

532
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but he didn't want to consider 15 000

533
00:26:13,430 --> 00:26:09,679
year old h-blocks in bolivia

534
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and i did my best about a month after

535
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michio

536
00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:16,159
wolff mccarron calls me up and he says

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hey giorgio

538
00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:21,919
is speaking at mufon la now remember

539
00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:22,480
back then

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giorgio wasn't giorgio yet and it took

541
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me a minute

542
00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:29,760
and i was like oh whoa the dude with the

543
00:26:33,029 --> 00:26:30,640
hair

544
00:26:34,070 --> 00:26:33,039
on on this new show ancient aliens yeah

545
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okay so

546
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i show up at mufon and here's the funny

547
00:26:39,830 --> 00:26:38,159
part

548
00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:39,840
there was probably a hundred people

549
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:41,520
there you know it's a good sized crowd

550
00:26:45,110 --> 00:26:42,720
for sure but

551
00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:45,120
but many there didn't didn't even know

552
00:26:48,870 --> 00:26:47,039
who giorgio was yet

553
00:26:51,909 --> 00:26:48,880
and a hundred people showed up every

554
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single month for every mufon meeting

555
00:26:55,350 --> 00:26:52,320
that's

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it and and at that time there was only

557
00:26:59,590 --> 00:26:56,240
like two or three

558
00:27:03,350 --> 00:26:59,600
episodes of ancient aliens on the area

559
00:27:07,830 --> 00:27:03,360
so the mayhem hadn't happened

560
00:27:11,350 --> 00:27:07,840
but i was there for one reason

561
00:27:13,830 --> 00:27:11,360
puma punku seriously

562
00:27:15,669 --> 00:27:13,840
and giorgio didn't disappoint either you

563
00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:15,679
know it was raining outside

564
00:27:20,389 --> 00:27:19,200
and giorgio was late and he pulled up on

565
00:27:22,950 --> 00:27:20,399
a friggin motorcycle

566
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:22,960
he walks in he's dripping wet pulls off

567
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his helmet

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and and his hair is standing straight up

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on hand

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he can't make this stuff up takes off

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his black leather jacket you know throws

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it on a chair

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walks by everybody heads onto the stage

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gets up there boom straight to his

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presentation

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it was pretty epic actually anyway

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i sit through everything and then uh

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this slide pops up on the screen

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pumapunku and i was like here we go

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and everybody was being so polite

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everybody's being quiet and listening to

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the presentation and it was great

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but now it's pumapunku time and i had

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some questions

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you know when everybody was being so

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polite but not me and remember

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this was three years before fade to

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black and coast to coast am

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nobody knew me you know i'm just

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somebody in the audience

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but i had the voice i had the voice i

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was born with

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so giorgio hears me from the back of the

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room and i'm like wait a minute

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hold on let me jump in right there right

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georgie was like what now now i don't

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remember everything that was said

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or what i asked or his answers what i do

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remember is how cool he was

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about being so rudely interrupted in the

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middle of his presentation

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because we had a great exchange and i

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also remember everybody turning around

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and watching me

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ask the questions and then facing him

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for his answers it was pretty awesome

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actually for giorgio i think he was

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pretty happy that

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someone was paying attention to ancient

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aliens and actually

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learned something from it and for me it

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was the exact

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opposite of my exchange and my

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experience with michio

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who just blew me off do robert plant

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and jimmy page ever get tired of playing

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stairway to heaven

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probably not and i wonder the same thing

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about giorgio does he

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ever get tired of talking about

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pumapunku

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well he's our first guest tonight we're

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gonna find out

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right after the break because this is tv

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week here on fade to black

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tonight two very special guests first up

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giorgio soucolos

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ancient aliens and then later on tonight

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it's dave schrader of the holzer files

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tomorrow night's another thursday it's

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another fader night with open lines all

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night long

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i'm your host jimmy church this is fade

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to black and the game changer network

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and kgra the planet i'll be right back

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giorgio soucolo stay with us

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fade to black is not

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your father's radio show on the game

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and kgra the planet

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hi this is rob reiner from anvil and

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you're listening to jimmy

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[Music]

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all right all right welcome back fade to

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black i am your host jimmy church

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on the game changer network and kg r a

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the planet tonight wrapping up

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our tv week here on fade to black

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giorgio zuccolos ancient aliens coming

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up second half of the show tonight dave

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schrader

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of the holzer files tomorrow night is

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another fader night with open lines all

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night long tonight

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giorgio who for over 20 years

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has been the director of eric von

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daniken center for ancient astronaut

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research

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georgia starred in and then appeared on

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the history channel the travel channel

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the national geographic channel the

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sci-fi channel fade to black

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many other international television

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radio programs about the latest

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discoveries in the ancient

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astronaut field ah 16 seasons

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that's all i've got i want to welcome

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back to fade to black

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giorgio sucralose georgio man how you

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doing

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very good jimmy thank you so much for

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having me on the show again

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and i'd like to say a special hello to

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all the fader knots listening

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00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:09,200
at this hour yeah right on man 16

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16 seasons bro 16 seasons

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yeah have you have you your life

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have you forgotten more than you

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remember

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oh i always do no but look

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obviously nobody had foreseen this

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and you know so the fact that we are

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still

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here is incredible and it just goes to

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show

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that we've obviously and i've said this

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many times before

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we've stuck a chord we struck a chord

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with the audience

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and people are interested in the

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timeless mysteries of the world

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and uh you know each of each of these

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episodes

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offers something new so you know i too

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along the years have learned things like

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i never used to be into modern day

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ufology

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right but through ancient aliens it's

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one of my favorite topics now

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00:37:11,510 --> 00:37:09,119
yeah this is the thing um and it goes

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it doesn't matter if it's i love lucy or

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the tonight show

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or 60 minutes it it doesn't matter

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you know friends it just doesn't matter

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what people connect and when they

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connect

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it's a personal thing where they feel

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the show is made just for them

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right and that's that's what happened to

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me

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perfect

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this for me

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and that's exactly that's exactly what

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happened

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well and you know one uh giant

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credit that we have to give here is to

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kevin burns

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who is the creator of ancient aliens who

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unfortunately is no longer with us he

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passed away uh in september of last year

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at the end of september

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september 27th and that was quite a

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a shock not just to the contributors but

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also

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to prometheus studios because ancient

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aliens was not the only

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uh show that they are creating but they

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00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:19,359
also

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run uh the widely successful show called

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the curse uh uh

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the curse of oak island right and then

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the skinwalker show

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and i gotta tell everybody right away

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that

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everything will continue as is kevin has

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left

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a very awesome company i'm still working

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00:38:41,829 --> 00:38:40,880
with the exact same writers and

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00:38:45,030 --> 00:38:41,839
producers

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as i have before and you know

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i've already seen some of the new

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episodes that will come out soon

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and uh kevin i will tell you

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is smiling down upon us he will be

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incredibly proud

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of prometheus that they have truly

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are they are carrying forward the torch

850
00:39:13,030 --> 00:39:11,440
now uh uh before uh we talk about what's

851
00:39:14,230 --> 00:39:13,040
going to go down this friday which is

852
00:39:16,950 --> 00:39:14,240
pretty amazing

853
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:16,960
um last night i had scott walter on the

854
00:39:21,190 --> 00:39:17,760
show

855
00:39:24,870 --> 00:39:21,200
and he made the point twice uh

856
00:39:27,910 --> 00:39:24,880
during the show to say hello to you

857
00:39:28,550 --> 00:39:27,920
and and he and and you know and he just

858
00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:28,560
mentioned

859
00:39:34,470 --> 00:39:31,760
um uh which everybody says uh

860
00:39:35,829 --> 00:39:34,480
about you you meet giorgio and you've

861
00:39:38,950 --> 00:39:35,839
made a friend

862
00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:38,960
and and i had one chance uh to hang out

863
00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:40,640
and and break bread with him when we

864
00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:42,880
talked till two o'clock in the morning

865
00:39:46,790 --> 00:39:44,560
and it was just one of the greatest

866
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:46,800
nights so please tell him i said hello

867
00:39:50,150 --> 00:39:48,960
so i got that out of the way okay well

868
00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:50,160
hi hi scott

869
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:53,200
i remember that night well and uh no you

870
00:39:57,030 --> 00:39:54,960
know i mean you meet people

871
00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:57,040
with the life that we have is you know

872
00:40:03,190 --> 00:39:59,040
you meet people on the road

873
00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:03,200
and instead of you know

874
00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:05,760
have a weird situation just just just

875
00:40:11,589 --> 00:40:07,920
break bread with somebody have a drink

876
00:40:13,910 --> 00:40:11,599
get to know people because oftentimes

877
00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:13,920
you know you think oh you know that

878
00:40:17,109 --> 00:40:15,440
would be so strange to hang with

879
00:40:18,870 --> 00:40:17,119
somebody and then you you meet with them

880
00:40:19,670 --> 00:40:18,880
for five minutes and then they turn out

881
00:40:22,470 --> 00:40:19,680
to be

882
00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:22,480
really cool people and so the one thing

883
00:40:26,550 --> 00:40:24,560
that the way this works is

884
00:40:27,829 --> 00:40:26,560
you gotta hang out with people and not

885
00:40:30,870 --> 00:40:27,839
be standoffish

886
00:40:31,589 --> 00:40:30,880
and so scott i have to agree too uh he's

887
00:40:34,390 --> 00:40:31,599
a cool guy

888
00:40:34,630 --> 00:40:34,400
yeah he's a real cool dude and uh uh can

889
00:40:38,230 --> 00:40:34,640
i

890
00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:38,240
remember uh

891
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:41,440
a few i have one

892
00:40:49,109 --> 00:40:45,040
autographed t-shirt one

893
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:49,119
it's from you and i remember the day we

894
00:40:53,109 --> 00:40:49,680
changed

895
00:40:54,150 --> 00:40:53,119
signed them both and handed them off to

896
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:54,160
each other

897
00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:56,960
and uh and i've never worn it man it's

898
00:41:00,710 --> 00:40:58,480
like my prized possession

899
00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:00,720
i have not worn yours either i still

900
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:03,119
it's nicely folded it's it's

901
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:05,440
the signature it's never been washed the

902
00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:06,400
signature is

903
00:41:11,589 --> 00:41:09,440
intact same thing with my battery

904
00:41:13,829 --> 00:41:11,599
it's uh i'm not gonna wear it not gonna

905
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:13,839
no no no we're saving it for retirement

906
00:41:17,109 --> 00:41:14,130
right

907
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:17,119
[Laughter]

908
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:19,680
i need to buy that island and maybe that

909
00:41:23,829 --> 00:41:20,400
t-shirt

910
00:41:26,710 --> 00:41:23,839
me well now okay

911
00:41:27,670 --> 00:41:26,720
so this is this friday is a very big

912
00:41:30,790 --> 00:41:27,680
deal

913
00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:30,800
and uh and i i want to talk about that

914
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:33,200
when we go through life and we get a

915
00:41:37,589 --> 00:41:34,560
chance to

916
00:41:40,230 --> 00:41:37,599
to interact with with people that you

917
00:41:42,069 --> 00:41:40,240
never would have dreamed of meeting or

918
00:41:43,990 --> 00:41:42,079
let alone working with

919
00:41:45,510 --> 00:41:44,000
that's going to go down this friday tell

920
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:45,520
us about it

921
00:41:52,069 --> 00:41:49,119
well this friday we have none other

922
00:41:53,109 --> 00:41:52,079
than captain kirk himself william

923
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:53,119
shatner

924
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:56,640
join us for a two hour special

925
00:42:01,109 --> 00:41:59,760
for ancient aliens and it's in fact it's

926
00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:01,119
going to be called

927
00:42:07,670 --> 00:42:04,960
william shatner meets ancient aliens

928
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:07,680
and this is the brainchild of kevin

929
00:42:10,870 --> 00:42:08,560
burns

930
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:10,880
where two years ago two and a half years

931
00:42:15,510 --> 00:42:12,640
ago i remember

932
00:42:16,230 --> 00:42:15,520
that there were talks about this new

933
00:42:17,670 --> 00:42:16,240
potential

934
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:17,680
show with william shatner that

935
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:19,280
prometheus was going to produ

936
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:22,800
produce called the unexplained and as we

937
00:42:26,069 --> 00:42:23,520
now know

938
00:42:27,430 --> 00:42:26,079
the unexplained has become quite a very

939
00:42:30,790 --> 00:42:27,440
successful show

940
00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:30,800
on the history channel and about a year

941
00:42:35,589 --> 00:42:31,280
ago

942
00:42:39,430 --> 00:42:35,599
kevin had this idea well what if

943
00:42:40,309 --> 00:42:39,440
william shatner sits in into one of our

944
00:42:43,510 --> 00:42:40,319
discussions

945
00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:43,520
that you know david childress or william

946
00:42:47,829 --> 00:42:45,280
henry nick pope

947
00:42:50,230 --> 00:42:47,839
all my colleagues are having let's say

948
00:42:51,430 --> 00:42:50,240
you know over a coffee or over a beer

949
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:51,440
somewhere

950
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:54,160
and let's just bring william shatner in

951
00:42:58,470 --> 00:42:54,960
at a round

952
00:43:01,030 --> 00:42:58,480
table and see if he can ask us questions

953
00:43:02,630 --> 00:43:01,040
and then the idea is to perhaps even

954
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:02,640
convince the guy

955
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:05,520
and in november of last in november of

956
00:43:10,470 --> 00:43:06,560
2020

957
00:43:14,150 --> 00:43:10,480
we actually got to do kevin's vision

958
00:43:15,910 --> 00:43:14,160
and it was for all of us involved

959
00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:15,920
one of the most extraordinary

960
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:17,280
experiences

961
00:43:25,430 --> 00:43:22,400
of our lives because william shatner

962
00:43:28,710 --> 00:43:25,440
is one of the most generous

963
00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:28,720
and quick-witted people i have ever

964
00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:31,760
met in my entire life and it was an

965
00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:35,040
absolute privilege to

966
00:43:39,510 --> 00:43:37,680
spend the day with the guy and have a

967
00:43:41,829 --> 00:43:39,520
meaningful conversation

968
00:43:43,990 --> 00:43:41,839
and you will see that in the two-hour

969
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:44,000
special that will come out this friday

970
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:47,440
at 9 00 pm and all i can say

971
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:50,640
is that even if you've never seen

972
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:51,839
ancient aliens

973
00:43:55,109 --> 00:43:54,640
this is definitely the one to tune in

974
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:55,119
now

975
00:44:01,670 --> 00:43:58,160
uh what did what impressed you most

976
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:01,680
that he that he was inquisitive

977
00:44:08,150 --> 00:44:04,720
or did he have knowledge of of

978
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:08,160
ancient alien theory it came

979
00:44:15,910 --> 00:44:12,000
it came across that william shatner

980
00:44:18,870 --> 00:44:15,920
is a seeker he is a voracious reader

981
00:44:19,510 --> 00:44:18,880
he leads he reads many many many many

982
00:44:27,270 --> 00:44:19,520
different

983
00:44:30,870 --> 00:44:27,280
oozes curiosity and you know

984
00:44:34,230 --> 00:44:30,880
it's where you can tell that when we

985
00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:34,240
spoke to him he paid attention

986
00:44:38,309 --> 00:44:36,720
and let's say we discussed something at

987
00:44:43,829 --> 00:44:38,319
11 a.m

988
00:44:44,630 --> 00:44:43,839
we would you know talk about something

989
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:44,640
else

990
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:47,760
i it's rare that i would meet somebody

991
00:44:50,230 --> 00:44:49,680
who says four hours later well wait a

992
00:44:52,470 --> 00:44:50,240
second

993
00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:52,480
could this be connected with what we

994
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:54,560
were talking about four hours ago

995
00:45:01,030 --> 00:44:57,599
now that is a man and mind you

996
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:01,040
this gentleman turns ninety nine

997
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:04,800
zero years old this march in only a few

998
00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:05,680
weeks

999
00:45:12,550 --> 00:45:09,280
and you know it's amazing how

1000
00:45:15,430 --> 00:45:12,560
fast and how witty his brain is

1001
00:45:17,109 --> 00:45:15,440
i mean just to give you a one very quick

1002
00:45:19,990 --> 00:45:17,119
small anecdote

1003
00:45:20,710 --> 00:45:20,000
i was once sitting uh in a conference

1004
00:45:22,790 --> 00:45:20,720
room

1005
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:22,800
with the writers for the unexplained

1006
00:45:28,390 --> 00:45:25,280
show and with kevin burns

1007
00:45:28,950 --> 00:45:28,400
and you know essentially a large portion

1008
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:28,960
of

1009
00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:31,920
prometheus before or when they were

1010
00:45:35,109 --> 00:45:34,079
discussing you know what the unexplained

1011
00:45:37,750 --> 00:45:35,119
should be

1012
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:37,760
and so it was basically a story meeting

1013
00:45:40,630 --> 00:45:38,640
in which we

1014
00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:40,640
or they talked about the different

1015
00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:42,880
topics we were going to discuss

1016
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:44,880
and then we talked about or proposed the

1017
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:46,880
idea of nikola tesla

1018
00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:50,560
and nikola tesla as we all know uh

1019
00:45:56,470 --> 00:45:53,839
was you know a quirky guy and um

1020
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:56,480
one of his things that he did he uh he

1021
00:45:58,950 --> 00:45:56,960
was

1022
00:46:00,309 --> 00:45:58,960
he raised pigeons on the top of his

1023
00:46:03,030 --> 00:46:00,319
building there

1024
00:46:04,150 --> 00:46:03,040
and in fact there are some stories that

1025
00:46:07,589 --> 00:46:04,160
say that he

1026
00:46:11,109 --> 00:46:07,599
actually fell in love with one of those

1027
00:46:12,390 --> 00:46:11,119
carrier pigeons that tesla raised so one

1028
00:46:14,950 --> 00:46:12,400
of these carrier pigeons

1029
00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:14,960
he fell in love with this is the the

1030
00:46:18,630 --> 00:46:16,400
story that kevin burns

1031
00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:18,640
tells the whole room including of course

1032
00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:20,160
william shatner

1033
00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:23,520
without meeting a without missing a

1034
00:46:30,950 --> 00:46:26,560
beat william shatner replies

1035
00:46:34,069 --> 00:46:30,960
well i guess he got carriered away

1036
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:34,079
i mean the entire room just erupted in

1037
00:46:39,109 --> 00:46:35,680
laughter i mean it was so

1038
00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:39,119
fast and so quick so you know he is one

1039
00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:39,920
of the

1040
00:46:44,230 --> 00:46:42,880
the funniest guys that i've i've ever

1041
00:46:47,829 --> 00:46:44,240
had the privilege of

1042
00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:47,839
of um working with and you know it's

1043
00:46:53,430 --> 00:46:50,880
it's interesting that a guy like that

1044
00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:53,440
you know who has played a starship

1045
00:46:57,430 --> 00:46:54,480
captain

1046
00:46:58,470 --> 00:46:57,440
is still in real life incredibly

1047
00:47:01,510 --> 00:46:58,480
inquisitive

1048
00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:01,520
and asks well let's let's

1049
00:47:04,870 --> 00:47:04,480
explore this more instead of just buying

1050
00:47:15,270 --> 00:47:04,880
it

1051
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:15,280
um where uh for you personally or

1052
00:47:18,630 --> 00:47:16,079
anybody else

1053
00:47:19,270 --> 00:47:18,640
you know william henry and and so forth

1054
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:19,280
uh

1055
00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:27,190
yes look i mean he's a legend exactly

1056
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:30,160
of course you try to you know not let

1057
00:47:33,910 --> 00:47:32,160
that get to you but i mean i i

1058
00:47:35,589 --> 00:47:33,920
and i don't you know i can't speak for

1059
00:47:37,349 --> 00:47:35,599
the other other people that were

1060
00:47:39,670 --> 00:47:37,359
uh you know like i can't speak for

1061
00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:39,680
childress or or henry but

1062
00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:42,880
myself i had to pinch myself every 20

1063
00:47:45,670 --> 00:47:43,440
minutes

1064
00:47:47,109 --> 00:47:45,680
and you know i've got captain kirk

1065
00:47:50,470 --> 00:47:47,119
sitting here to my left

1066
00:47:53,589 --> 00:47:50,480
uh so you know

1067
00:47:54,790 --> 00:47:53,599
and mind you i mean this round table it

1068
00:47:56,549 --> 00:47:54,800
had like i think

1069
00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:56,559
there were like eight people at this

1070
00:48:01,030 --> 00:47:58,800
table and you could tell

1071
00:48:02,470 --> 00:48:01,040
that you know everybody at that table

1072
00:48:05,109 --> 00:48:02,480
wanted to have

1073
00:48:06,069 --> 00:48:05,119
a conversation with him and you can

1074
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:06,079
imagine how that

1075
00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:08,160
went with with you know with eight

1076
00:48:12,870 --> 00:48:09,520
alphas at the table

1077
00:48:15,589 --> 00:48:12,880
yeah totally totally eight alphas and um

1078
00:48:17,510 --> 00:48:15,599
i without giving anything away but i

1079
00:48:21,829 --> 00:48:17,520
wouldn't do my job if i didn't if

1080
00:48:23,829 --> 00:48:21,839
i didn't ask um where was he

1081
00:48:25,270 --> 00:48:23,839
uh you know you have giza you have the

1082
00:48:26,950 --> 00:48:25,280
ancient pyramids you have the ancient

1083
00:48:27,990 --> 00:48:26,960
sites around the world you have easter

1084
00:48:31,910 --> 00:48:28,000
island

1085
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:31,920
and and stonehenge and things uh did he

1086
00:48:39,190 --> 00:48:35,760
did he go there yes in fact

1087
00:48:40,870 --> 00:48:39,200
in fact what convinced him the most or

1088
00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:40,880
would not convince him

1089
00:48:48,630 --> 00:48:44,400
what really uh threw him for a loop

1090
00:48:51,829 --> 00:48:48,640
was the physical evidence you know where

1091
00:48:55,510 --> 00:48:51,839
you know and and he had a an already

1092
00:48:58,549 --> 00:48:55,520
very broad and detailed understanding

1093
00:48:59,270 --> 00:48:58,559
of you know what mainstream archaeology

1094
00:49:02,150 --> 00:48:59,280
for example

1095
00:49:03,349 --> 00:49:02,160
suggests how some of the ancient blocks

1096
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:03,359
were transported

1097
00:49:07,270 --> 00:49:06,000
you know that they used 200 people and

1098
00:49:09,510 --> 00:49:07,280
that they calculated

1099
00:49:11,109 --> 00:49:09,520
well for this type of stone you need

1100
00:49:13,750 --> 00:49:11,119
that many people and then

1101
00:49:15,270 --> 00:49:13,760
you know you you take the harness around

1102
00:49:16,230 --> 00:49:15,280
your chest and this is how you pull

1103
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:16,240
everything

1104
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:19,200
this is all fantastic great and and what

1105
00:49:23,030 --> 00:49:19,920
have you

1106
00:49:25,349 --> 00:49:23,040
but if you pull this block up this

1107
00:49:26,230 --> 00:49:25,359
cliff on a mountain side where you

1108
00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:26,240
cannot

1109
00:49:32,549 --> 00:49:29,520
fit 200 people well you've got a problem

1110
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:32,559
and so it's those little details

1111
00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:35,040
where the archaeologists and bless their

1112
00:49:39,910 --> 00:49:35,680
hearts i

1113
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:39,920
i love most of them um you know

1114
00:49:45,430 --> 00:49:43,040
they don't explain the problems where

1115
00:49:47,190 --> 00:49:45,440
an engineer goes there and they're like

1116
00:49:48,069 --> 00:49:47,200
well okay great you so you have 200

1117
00:49:50,630 --> 00:49:48,079
people

1118
00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:50,640
but where where do they fit because the

1119
00:49:56,309 --> 00:49:53,200
the the pathway to where this

1120
00:49:58,549 --> 00:49:56,319
thing is is it doesn't fit 200 people

1121
00:50:00,309 --> 00:49:58,559
in fact you can't even have two people

1122
00:50:03,349 --> 00:50:00,319
standing side by side

1123
00:50:06,870 --> 00:50:03,359
and so it's those little details

1124
00:50:10,630 --> 00:50:06,880
where you could see the sparkle in

1125
00:50:13,109 --> 00:50:10,640
shatner's eyes now uh

1126
00:50:13,829 --> 00:50:13,119
did you take advantage of the moment did

1127
00:50:17,109 --> 00:50:13,839
you ask

1128
00:50:20,069 --> 00:50:17,119
him about star trek

1129
00:50:20,710 --> 00:50:20,079
well yes in fact one of the discussions

1130
00:50:24,790 --> 00:50:20,720
was

1131
00:50:27,270 --> 00:50:24,800
uh you know shatner in fact

1132
00:50:28,470 --> 00:50:27,280
we all remember he directed star trek uh

1133
00:50:31,510 --> 00:50:28,480
five

1134
00:50:32,309 --> 00:50:31,520
and uh in there uh you know the

1135
00:50:35,510 --> 00:50:32,319
enterprise

1136
00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:35,520
you know is captured by quote unquote

1137
00:50:42,630 --> 00:50:39,520
god and kirk asks quote-unquote god

1138
00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:42,640
what does god need a starship for

1139
00:50:47,109 --> 00:50:45,119
and that is exactly what the ancient

1140
00:50:50,470 --> 00:50:47,119
astronaut theory is about

1141
00:50:53,430 --> 00:50:50,480
where in ezekiel for example we have a

1142
00:50:55,589 --> 00:50:53,440
we have the story that god needed a

1143
00:50:56,470 --> 00:50:55,599
vehicle with which to go from point a to

1144
00:50:58,710 --> 00:50:56,480
point b

1145
00:51:00,549 --> 00:50:58,720
and things like that and eric von

1146
00:51:04,470 --> 00:51:00,559
daniken has always said

1147
00:51:05,829 --> 00:51:04,480
since when does god need a vehicle to

1148
00:51:09,510 --> 00:51:05,839
travel around in

1149
00:51:13,030 --> 00:51:09,520
and in fact uh you know

1150
00:51:16,150 --> 00:51:13,040
the interesting thing is that in the 70s

1151
00:51:19,349 --> 00:51:16,160
shatner did um a documentary called

1152
00:51:19,990 --> 00:51:19,359
mysteries of the gods which was also a

1153
00:51:23,589 --> 00:51:20,000
type of

1154
00:51:26,870 --> 00:51:23,599
chariots of the gods uh documentary

1155
00:51:29,109 --> 00:51:26,880
and when when we asked him about

1156
00:51:30,549 --> 00:51:29,119
that he says oh i i don't even remember

1157
00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:30,559
that i did that

1158
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:33,119
so you know the 70s was a long time ago

1159
00:51:38,069 --> 00:51:33,839
but you know

1160
00:51:42,309 --> 00:51:38,079
so shatner has always been a seeker

1161
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:42,319
now uh the the ability to do that

1162
00:51:45,670 --> 00:51:44,640
do you think that uh you know to ask him

1163
00:51:49,910 --> 00:51:45,680
about star trek

1164
00:51:50,710 --> 00:51:49,920
do you think he gets tired of it

1165
00:51:54,309 --> 00:51:50,720
obviously i

1166
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:54,319
i cannot speak uh you know for him

1167
00:51:58,150 --> 00:51:57,119
but uh what i've seen and this is the

1168
00:52:00,549 --> 00:51:58,160
second time

1169
00:52:02,150 --> 00:52:00,559
that i've the third time that i've uh

1170
00:52:05,910 --> 00:52:02,160
been around him

1171
00:52:08,309 --> 00:52:05,920
he's very very generous with fans

1172
00:52:09,109 --> 00:52:08,319
who you know or even even when linda

1173
00:52:11,829 --> 00:52:09,119
moulton howe

1174
00:52:13,349 --> 00:52:11,839
or or or or nick pope say you know my

1175
00:52:16,630 --> 00:52:13,359
wife and i were we're

1176
00:52:18,870 --> 00:52:16,640
great fans of uh boston legal or

1177
00:52:21,270 --> 00:52:18,880
or linda said she's a big fan of star

1178
00:52:24,470 --> 00:52:21,280
trek as him as captain kirk

1179
00:52:25,030 --> 00:52:24,480
not once was he was like whatever no he

1180
00:52:27,190 --> 00:52:25,040
actually

1181
00:52:28,230 --> 00:52:27,200
was appreciative about it now i do

1182
00:52:31,030 --> 00:52:28,240
understand

1183
00:52:32,309 --> 00:52:31,040
you know the guy gets hounded sometimes

1184
00:52:35,589 --> 00:52:32,319
and uh you know

1185
00:52:37,670 --> 00:52:35,599
uh this is a an issue with with anyone

1186
00:52:38,549 --> 00:52:37,680
these days or even 20 years ago you know

1187
00:52:43,109 --> 00:52:38,559
so

1188
00:52:45,109 --> 00:52:43,119
can become a bit much

1189
00:52:46,870 --> 00:52:45,119
but it becomes much with everyone it it

1190
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:46,880
it it can

1191
00:52:53,190 --> 00:52:49,920
and see that's the thing i i i don't

1192
00:52:55,270 --> 00:52:53,200
want to um i don't want to picture

1193
00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:55,280
something else i want to picture exactly

1194
00:52:59,349 --> 00:52:56,640
what you're saying

1195
00:52:59,990 --> 00:52:59,359
right that that that's what i want i

1196
00:53:02,230 --> 00:53:00,000
don't i don't

1197
00:53:03,910 --> 00:53:02,240
want uh i don't want the negative side i

1198
00:53:10,150 --> 00:53:03,920
just went through

1199
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:10,160
uh star trek the original series and it

1200
00:53:14,069 --> 00:53:11,040
had been

1201
00:53:17,430 --> 00:53:14,079
a long time since i did it but i was

1202
00:53:18,150 --> 00:53:17,440
able to binge it and and focus on it and

1203
00:53:21,430 --> 00:53:18,160
really and

1204
00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:21,440
and when you go back and do it like that

1205
00:53:25,109 --> 00:53:23,040
you know after so many years have passed

1206
00:53:27,510 --> 00:53:25,119
you know about that you really

1207
00:53:28,150 --> 00:53:27,520
appreciate how not only excellent the

1208
00:53:31,510 --> 00:53:28,160
program

1209
00:53:34,950 --> 00:53:31,520
was but the chances that they took

1210
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:34,960
the programs were all about uh

1211
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:37,440
racial issues and political issues and

1212
00:53:44,069 --> 00:53:39,839
religious issues of the day

1213
00:53:47,190 --> 00:53:44,079
uh framed in uh science fiction

1214
00:53:50,309 --> 00:53:47,200
and it was man it was that

1215
00:53:53,670 --> 00:53:50,319
that courageous is the word

1216
00:53:56,309 --> 00:53:53,680
absolutely and absolutely revolutionary

1217
00:53:56,710 --> 00:53:56,319
because you know what roddenberry did

1218
00:53:59,910 --> 00:53:56,720
and i

1219
00:54:03,349 --> 00:53:59,920
you know i i read some

1220
00:54:05,270 --> 00:54:03,359
rottenberry uh biographies so yeah i'm

1221
00:54:06,549 --> 00:54:05,280
sort of a little bit familiar with this

1222
00:54:09,829 --> 00:54:06,559
but roddenberry

1223
00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:09,839
used science fiction in order to

1224
00:54:15,990 --> 00:54:12,960
illustrate present problems

1225
00:54:19,030 --> 00:54:16,000
and so you know this was his way

1226
00:54:22,150 --> 00:54:19,040
to circumvent the sensors because

1227
00:54:24,309 --> 00:54:22,160
the sensors in a round or in a weird way

1228
00:54:25,750 --> 00:54:24,319
didn't quite understand what he was

1229
00:54:27,990 --> 00:54:25,760
trying to

1230
00:54:30,390 --> 00:54:28,000
say because oh you know what these

1231
00:54:32,790 --> 00:54:30,400
stories they happen in outer space

1232
00:54:33,829 --> 00:54:32,800
so what do we care about that yeah i

1233
00:54:36,710 --> 00:54:33,839
thought it was

1234
00:54:37,510 --> 00:54:36,720
you see it today and and i don't know if

1235
00:54:39,670 --> 00:54:37,520
i'm just

1236
00:54:40,710 --> 00:54:39,680
smarter than when i you know when i was

1237
00:54:42,150 --> 00:54:40,720
a kid

1238
00:54:43,990 --> 00:54:42,160
but you see it today and you're like man

1239
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:44,000
that's clever

1240
00:54:48,630 --> 00:54:48,000
that's really clever i see what's going

1241
00:54:51,430 --> 00:54:48,640
on

1242
00:54:52,069 --> 00:54:51,440
and it was it was politics it was race i

1243
00:54:55,430 --> 00:54:52,079
mean they took

1244
00:54:58,950 --> 00:54:55,440
race head on in the late 60s

1245
00:55:02,069 --> 00:54:58,960
that's a challenging thing to go and do

1246
00:55:05,430 --> 00:55:02,079
um no absolutely sensational especially

1247
00:55:08,150 --> 00:55:05,440
and i i'm i missed the episode

1248
00:55:08,710 --> 00:55:08,160
which uh which episode that is but there

1249
00:55:12,150 --> 00:55:08,720
are these

1250
00:55:13,829 --> 00:55:12,160
these people that are uh on one side of

1251
00:55:16,230 --> 00:55:13,839
their body they are

1252
00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:16,240
a complete black and on the other side

1253
00:55:19,990 --> 00:55:17,920
they are a complete white

1254
00:55:21,829 --> 00:55:20,000
and they're at war with each other and

1255
00:55:23,589 --> 00:55:21,839
and kirk and his team

1256
00:55:24,950 --> 00:55:23,599
arrive on the planet what the are you

1257
00:55:27,270 --> 00:55:24,960
guys crazy

1258
00:55:28,230 --> 00:55:27,280
you all you look the same and the answer

1259
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:28,240
is no

1260
00:55:32,630 --> 00:55:30,720
his his black is on the left and and the

1261
00:55:34,390 --> 00:55:32,640
other guys is on the right

1262
00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:34,400
and and we are the opposite and it's

1263
00:55:39,990 --> 00:55:36,000
like you know that

1264
00:55:42,150 --> 00:55:40,000
right there was revolutionary

1265
00:55:43,030 --> 00:55:42,160
genius absolutely do you guys have the

1266
00:55:46,870 --> 00:55:43,040
same uh

1267
00:55:50,309 --> 00:55:46,880
uh issues to consider when you guys are

1268
00:55:51,190 --> 00:55:50,319
are challenging uh religion and you're

1269
00:55:56,309 --> 00:55:51,200
challenging

1270
00:55:58,390 --> 00:55:56,319
uh uh cultures uh historical backgrounds

1271
00:56:00,309 --> 00:55:58,400
well look i mean there's always people

1272
00:56:01,910 --> 00:56:00,319
that suggest that we're the ones who say

1273
00:56:04,230 --> 00:56:01,920
that the ancients did not

1274
00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:04,240
built their structures and i challenge

1275
00:56:08,390 --> 00:56:05,280
anyone

1276
00:56:09,750 --> 00:56:08,400
to point out in any of the episodes

1277
00:56:11,829 --> 00:56:09,760
where we say

1278
00:56:13,510 --> 00:56:11,839
that uh you know the ancient structures

1279
00:56:16,789 --> 00:56:13,520
such as the pyramids were not

1280
00:56:17,990 --> 00:56:16,799
built by humans of course the ancient

1281
00:56:20,630 --> 00:56:18,000
pyramids were built by

1282
00:56:21,510 --> 00:56:20,640
by human beings nobody has ever denied

1283
00:56:24,230 --> 00:56:21,520
this

1284
00:56:24,870 --> 00:56:24,240
of course ancient structures around the

1285
00:56:27,950 --> 00:56:24,880
world

1286
00:56:29,910 --> 00:56:27,960
were built by human beings it was not

1287
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:29,920
extraterrestrials who dirtied their

1288
00:56:32,589 --> 00:56:30,480
hands

1289
00:56:33,990 --> 00:56:32,599
or got sweaty in fact the

1290
00:56:36,710 --> 00:56:34,000
extraterrestrials

1291
00:56:38,710 --> 00:56:36,720
knew that we were here they knew that we

1292
00:56:41,910 --> 00:56:38,720
would work they would worship us

1293
00:56:44,069 --> 00:56:41,920
that we would worship them because

1294
00:56:45,109 --> 00:56:44,079
how how did they arrive they came down

1295
00:56:48,870 --> 00:56:45,119
from the sky

1296
00:56:52,069 --> 00:56:48,880
so obviously uh an int a technologically

1297
00:56:54,789 --> 00:56:52,079
primitive society wouldn't understand

1298
00:56:55,270 --> 00:56:54,799
that people descending from the sky are

1299
00:56:57,750 --> 00:56:55,280
not

1300
00:56:59,190 --> 00:56:57,760
gods but they're space travelers so it

1301
00:57:02,950 --> 00:56:59,200
was all based on a

1302
00:57:06,150 --> 00:57:02,960
giant misunderstanding and so

1303
00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:06,160
you know ancient aliens it actually

1304
00:57:09,430 --> 00:57:08,880
fulfills occam's razor because in the

1305
00:57:12,630 --> 00:57:09,440
end

1306
00:57:15,829 --> 00:57:12,640
with certain examples

1307
00:57:17,190 --> 00:57:15,839
the extraterrestrial answer is the

1308
00:57:20,549 --> 00:57:17,200
simplest answer

1309
00:57:22,870 --> 00:57:20,559
in terms of occam's razor so you know

1310
00:57:24,549 --> 00:57:22,880
if you want to believe that you can cut

1311
00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:24,559
gray andesite

1312
00:57:28,470 --> 00:57:26,880
with copper then that is your

1313
00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:28,480
prerogative and you can

1314
00:57:34,950 --> 00:57:31,920
you can you know fine live a happy life

1315
00:57:35,829 --> 00:57:34,960
but you're you're you're not rooted in

1316
00:57:38,710 --> 00:57:35,839
reality

1317
00:57:40,710 --> 00:57:38,720
because gray andesite cannot be cut with

1318
00:57:43,589 --> 00:57:40,720
copper it's an imp it's a physical

1319
00:57:45,030 --> 00:57:43,599
impossibility so and by the way i have

1320
00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:45,040
also never denied

1321
00:57:48,789 --> 00:57:47,760
that our ancestors did not know how to

1322
00:57:51,829 --> 00:57:48,799
cut stone

1323
00:57:55,190 --> 00:57:51,839
they did it

1324
00:57:58,390 --> 00:57:55,200
but the question is fine if you have

1325
00:58:02,069 --> 00:57:58,400
porous or soft rock sure

1326
00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:02,079
we can do that but if today to cut

1327
00:58:06,549 --> 00:58:05,200
andesite or you know anything any stones

1328
00:58:10,309 --> 00:58:06,559
that are

1329
00:58:12,710 --> 00:58:10,319
a plus six on the um the

1330
00:58:13,990 --> 00:58:12,720
the hardness scale of the most scale of

1331
00:58:16,710 --> 00:58:14,000
the hardness of rock

1332
00:58:17,750 --> 00:58:16,720
well then you are absolutely barking up

1333
00:58:20,390 --> 00:58:17,760
the wrong tree

1334
00:58:21,109 --> 00:58:20,400
when you say oh this can also be done

1335
00:58:23,910 --> 00:58:21,119
with

1336
00:58:24,950 --> 00:58:23,920
ordinary tools because it cannot now an

1337
00:58:27,990 --> 00:58:24,960
archaeology

1338
00:58:31,109 --> 00:58:28,000
archaeologist will not tell you this

1339
00:58:31,589 --> 00:58:31,119
it will be an engineer who will tell you

1340
00:58:33,430 --> 00:58:31,599
this

1341
00:58:35,670 --> 00:58:33,440
and i'm sorry if it comes to

1342
00:58:38,470 --> 00:58:35,680
construction i'd rather listen to an

1343
00:58:39,750 --> 00:58:38,480
engineer than an archaeologist and let

1344
00:58:43,190 --> 00:58:39,760
me repeat myself

1345
00:58:46,630 --> 00:58:43,200
i love the archaeologists however

1346
00:58:51,109 --> 00:58:46,640
they are not engineers i

1347
00:58:55,510 --> 00:58:51,119
today giorgio today i had to

1348
00:58:58,710 --> 00:58:55,520
uh trim out a little hole

1349
00:59:02,069 --> 00:58:58,720
for my back gate uh for the lock

1350
00:59:03,430 --> 00:59:02,079
to catch right so i i get out a brand

1351
00:59:06,390 --> 00:59:03,440
new chisel

1352
00:59:08,630 --> 00:59:06,400
stainless steel hardened chisel had the

1353
00:59:12,710 --> 00:59:08,640
black cap on it brand new never used

1354
00:59:16,789 --> 00:59:12,720
got my hammer out i'm i'm trimming out

1355
00:59:20,950 --> 00:59:16,799
cedar okay cedar

1356
00:59:24,150 --> 00:59:20,960
wood with this hardened stainless steel

1357
00:59:27,829 --> 00:59:24,160
uh chisel pop up i did it for

1358
00:59:31,030 --> 00:59:27,839
three minutes the the chisel tip

1359
00:59:35,430 --> 00:59:31,040
cedar notches in it

1360
00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:35,440
right wow now now you want to tell me

1361
00:59:41,349 --> 00:59:38,640
copper chisels and red granite

1362
00:59:43,349 --> 00:59:41,359
that there's no match right i just don't

1363
00:59:44,950 --> 00:59:43,359
i don't want i don't want to hear it

1364
00:59:48,069 --> 00:59:44,960
you know i'm dealing with i'm dealing

1365
00:59:51,190 --> 00:59:48,079
with cedar and stainless steel

1366
00:59:53,670 --> 00:59:51,200
and and it you know it was damaged

1367
00:59:55,109 --> 00:59:53,680
now just imagine if i took that same

1368
00:59:57,510 --> 00:59:55,119
chisel

1369
00:59:59,349 --> 00:59:57,520
stainless steel to red granite to die

1370
01:00:01,750 --> 00:59:59,359
right you know it's not gonna

1371
01:00:02,470 --> 01:00:01,760
it's not gonna happen this is this is

1372
01:00:04,309 --> 01:00:02,480
really

1373
01:00:05,910 --> 01:00:04,319
first of all you're right in anything

1374
01:00:07,829 --> 01:00:05,920
you just said here and and

1375
01:00:09,349 --> 01:00:07,839
what's fascinating is that you can

1376
01:00:12,950 --> 01:00:09,359
actually tell

1377
01:00:13,990 --> 01:00:12,960
in some ancient places where a chisel

1378
01:00:17,109 --> 01:00:14,000
was used

1379
01:00:19,030 --> 01:00:17,119
after the fact meaning we you have the

1380
01:00:21,670 --> 01:00:19,040
original artifact now what i'm up

1381
01:00:23,910 --> 01:00:21,680
what i'm about to say obviously is

1382
01:00:26,950 --> 01:00:23,920
something that an egyptologist

1383
01:00:28,309 --> 01:00:26,960
will throw into my face right away me

1384
01:00:32,150 --> 01:00:28,319
saying that you know oh this is just

1385
01:00:35,829 --> 01:00:32,160
baloney but when you for example go to

1386
01:00:37,750 --> 01:00:35,839
saqqara uh and um

1387
01:00:39,750 --> 01:00:37,760
sorry yeah you go to saqqara and there's

1388
01:00:40,789 --> 01:00:39,760
this underground structure called the

1389
01:00:42,470 --> 01:00:40,799
seraphim

1390
01:00:44,950 --> 01:00:42,480
inside the serapium are some of the

1391
01:00:47,430 --> 01:00:44,960
largest stone sarcophaguses that have

1392
01:00:48,309 --> 01:00:47,440
ever been found anywhere in ancient

1393
01:00:51,789 --> 01:00:48,319
egypt

1394
01:00:54,950 --> 01:00:51,799
all of those sarcophagi are

1395
01:00:58,390 --> 01:00:54,960
unmarked there is not a single

1396
01:00:58,789 --> 01:00:58,400
uh uh marking on them uh on any of them

1397
01:01:01,510 --> 01:00:58,799
and

1398
01:01:02,789 --> 01:01:01,520
i think there is like 30 or 35 please

1399
01:01:05,910 --> 01:01:02,799
don't quote me on this

1400
01:01:09,270 --> 01:01:05,920
uh at the serapim one

1401
01:01:12,870 --> 01:01:09,280
art of one sarcophagus

1402
01:01:16,150 --> 01:01:12,880
of those 30 actually has

1403
01:01:19,349 --> 01:01:16,160
writing hieroglyphic writing on it

1404
01:01:22,309 --> 01:01:19,359
however you look at that

1405
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type of writing the way it was chiseled

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into there

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and you compare it to other in

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of the area ancient egyptian carvings of

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of writing

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it is night and day it's as

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if a kid walked in with a crayon and

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started to

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you know just just draw

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everywhere wherever without so what i'm

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saying

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is that somewhere along the lines

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some technology was either lost

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or the extraterrestrials took it with

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them again and

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afterwards our ancestors tried to

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imitate

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or they tried to preserve this knowledge

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what we today call religion let's take

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giorgio sucralose bringing his a game

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this is fade to black

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this is night three of tv week here on

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fade to black we've got giorgio suculos

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hour dave schrader of the holzer files

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i'll be right back i'm your host jimmy

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more with georgio after this short break

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welcome back fade to black i'm your host

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jimmy church tonight giorgio sucralose

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01:07:55,750 --> 01:07:52,720
is

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with us season

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16 of ancient aliens and coming up this

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friday

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william shatner sits down with the round

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table with the crew

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over at ancient aliens you don't want to

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miss that

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and now back to the conversation with

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giorgio um

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01:08:15,270 --> 01:08:12,960
i i have to ask you do you

1576
01:08:18,789 --> 01:08:15,280
ever get tired of talking about

1577
01:08:25,829 --> 01:08:22,829
ancient astronaut theorists say

1578
01:08:27,829 --> 01:08:25,839
no see ladies and gentlemen there is a

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01:08:29,110 --> 01:08:27,839
time when ancient astronaut theorists

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01:08:31,590 --> 01:08:29,120
say no

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01:08:33,510 --> 01:08:31,600
so uh no never never

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01:08:36,870 --> 01:08:33,520
[Laughter]

1583
01:08:38,149 --> 01:08:36,880
and and what is it um uh you and i have

1584
01:08:41,349 --> 01:08:38,159
talked about it so much

1585
01:08:41,910 --> 01:08:41,359
and and i mean this audience knows and

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01:08:44,950 --> 01:08:41,920
you know

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01:08:48,149 --> 01:08:44,960
uh uh my uh

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01:08:49,269 --> 01:08:48,159
uh uh affection and interest into

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01:08:52,229 --> 01:08:49,279
pumapunku

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it was you that introduced me to it and

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01:08:55,430 --> 01:08:52,799
and i've

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01:08:55,990 --> 01:08:55,440
i've i i ask you about it all the time

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01:08:59,430 --> 01:08:56,000
out of

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everything on planet earth that you

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01:09:02,870 --> 01:09:01,839
have researched when you get into

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01:09:06,709 --> 01:09:02,880
ancient uh

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01:09:07,110 --> 01:09:06,719
uh astronaut theory uh is is puma punku

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still

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your number one absolutely and until

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there a second pumapunku is found

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01:09:20,070 --> 01:09:16,640
it will be my smoking gun uh because

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and by the way through the show

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01:09:25,510 --> 01:09:23,440
uh funding at uh at pumapunku

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01:09:26,950 --> 01:09:25,520
that's due to the popularity that

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01:09:30,550 --> 01:09:26,960
pumapunku has gained

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01:09:33,189 --> 01:09:30,560
because of the show a research funding

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01:09:33,990 --> 01:09:33,199
for archaeological excavations at

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pumapunku

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01:09:40,309 --> 01:09:37,440
and tiyunaku have been increased

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01:09:41,430 --> 01:09:40,319
so they're finding new stuff almost

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01:09:44,630 --> 01:09:41,440
every week

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01:09:48,070 --> 01:09:44,640
and some of the blocks of gray andesite

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01:09:50,709 --> 01:09:48,080
that they are now finding uh a deep

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01:09:52,870 --> 01:09:50,719
underneath the earth or you know buried

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01:09:56,149 --> 01:09:52,880
would indicate that at some point

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01:09:59,430 --> 01:09:56,159
some type of a disaster happened there

1617
01:10:02,790 --> 01:09:59,440
because clearly those big blocks are in

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01:10:03,669 --> 01:10:02,800
the earth they're in the soil and let me

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01:10:06,870 --> 01:10:03,679
set the record

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uh one more time straight that nobody

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ever said

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that nobody knows how uh they they would

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01:10:14,830 --> 01:10:11,520
cut the

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the the red limestone because the red

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01:10:17,830 --> 01:10:16,080
limestone

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01:10:19,350 --> 01:10:17,840
that's that was never the question how

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01:10:22,790 --> 01:10:19,360
the limestone was cut

1628
01:10:24,470 --> 01:10:22,800
because we know limestone is soft so you

1629
01:10:29,189 --> 01:10:24,480
can just use a fingernail

1630
01:10:31,669 --> 01:10:29,199
and you can scratch limestone um now

1631
01:10:33,590 --> 01:10:31,679
but that's the half of the story the

1632
01:10:37,030 --> 01:10:33,600
other rocks that are there

1633
01:10:38,229 --> 01:10:37,040
is gray andesite and you can distinguish

1634
01:10:41,350 --> 01:10:38,239
between the two

1635
01:10:44,950 --> 01:10:41,360
in color one is gray the other stuff

1636
01:10:48,709 --> 01:10:44,960
is red so very easy to distinguish

1637
01:10:52,070 --> 01:10:48,719
those uh gray and the side blocks

1638
01:10:55,270 --> 01:10:52,080
some of them are so precisely cut

1639
01:10:58,709 --> 01:10:55,280
that if you were to run your finger

1640
01:11:01,669 --> 01:10:58,719
down an edge of one of those rocks

1641
01:11:02,310 --> 01:11:01,679
you could actually cut yourself and what

1642
01:11:05,030 --> 01:11:02,320
is not

1643
01:11:05,750 --> 01:11:05,040
translated in many of the pictures and

1644
01:11:08,070 --> 01:11:05,760
that you can

1645
01:11:09,189 --> 01:11:08,080
only experience if you're there in

1646
01:11:12,709 --> 01:11:09,199
person

1647
01:11:16,709 --> 01:11:12,719
is the surface of the gray andesite

1648
01:11:19,110 --> 01:11:16,719
it is as smooth as a bathroom mirror

1649
01:11:20,310 --> 01:11:19,120
now i i know we've all seen pictures

1650
01:11:23,430 --> 01:11:20,320
we've always seen it

1651
01:11:26,790 --> 01:11:23,440
but the one thing each time that i bring

1652
01:11:29,669 --> 01:11:26,800
uh people to to pumapunku they're

1653
01:11:30,550 --> 01:11:29,679
all blown away that when they touch the

1654
01:11:33,750 --> 01:11:30,560
surface

1655
01:11:36,709 --> 01:11:33,760
it is it's perfection and

1656
01:11:38,709 --> 01:11:36,719
if you know if there was only one block

1657
01:11:42,390 --> 01:11:38,719
one could say ah all right whatever

1658
01:11:43,110 --> 01:11:42,400
it is what it is but there are tons of

1659
01:11:46,709 --> 01:11:43,120
blocks

1660
01:11:49,990 --> 01:11:46,719
like that with precision incisions

1661
01:11:50,470 --> 01:11:50,000
that are perfect no deviations it's as

1662
01:11:53,910 --> 01:11:50,480
if

1663
01:11:55,189 --> 01:11:53,920
only master builders work there and

1664
01:11:57,189 --> 01:11:55,199
nobody essentially

1665
01:11:58,470 --> 01:11:57,199
made a mistake which is which is that's

1666
01:12:01,830 --> 01:11:58,480
a tall order

1667
01:12:02,709 --> 01:12:01,840
now what is it for you my opinion

1668
01:12:05,590 --> 01:12:02,719
doesn't matter

1669
01:12:07,270 --> 01:12:05,600
um but what is it for you uh when it

1670
01:12:09,990 --> 01:12:07,280
comes to puma punku

1671
01:12:11,430 --> 01:12:10,000
the one thing the one thing because

1672
01:12:12,950 --> 01:12:11,440
there's there's so many different

1673
01:12:16,550 --> 01:12:12,960
aspects to it

1674
01:12:19,270 --> 01:12:16,560
but but for you what stands out

1675
01:12:21,030 --> 01:12:19,280
well it's it's not one thing see i

1676
01:12:23,270 --> 01:12:21,040
always like to look at the bigger

1677
01:12:26,470 --> 01:12:23,280
picture of a a given

1678
01:12:29,590 --> 01:12:26,480
problem and that is you see there are

1679
01:12:30,950 --> 01:12:29,600
legends at pumapunku that speak that

1680
01:12:34,149 --> 01:12:30,960
where the local

1681
01:12:35,990 --> 01:12:34,159
legends see it's not myself or david

1682
01:12:38,630 --> 01:12:36,000
childress or eric von daniken

1683
01:12:40,390 --> 01:12:38,640
who has said that our ancestors had

1684
01:12:43,030 --> 01:12:40,400
helped from extraterrestrials

1685
01:12:43,830 --> 01:12:43,040
it's the ancestors themselves who are

1686
01:12:46,229 --> 01:12:43,840
saying this

1687
01:12:47,189 --> 01:12:46,239
that they had help from the so-called

1688
01:12:50,229 --> 01:12:47,199
gods

1689
01:12:52,550 --> 01:12:50,239
now and i don't care what

1690
01:12:54,630 --> 01:12:52,560
academic book you read every

1691
01:12:57,110 --> 01:12:54,640
archaeologist will tell you yes

1692
01:12:57,990 --> 01:12:57,120
all of this stuff was done to worship

1693
01:13:00,470 --> 01:12:58,000
the gods

1694
01:13:01,510 --> 01:13:00,480
then they tap each other on the back and

1695
01:13:03,669 --> 01:13:01,520
and they go home

1696
01:13:05,430 --> 01:13:03,679
and the discussion is over well nobody

1697
01:13:07,830 --> 01:13:05,440
asks the question

1698
01:13:09,590 --> 01:13:07,840
what what gods are we talking about here

1699
01:13:13,430 --> 01:13:09,600
because to suggest

1700
01:13:14,709 --> 01:13:13,440
that this all was a part of our

1701
01:13:18,149 --> 01:13:14,719
ancestors

1702
01:13:18,470 --> 01:13:18,159
fancy flights of fantasy that to me is

1703
01:13:21,750 --> 01:13:18,480
the

1704
01:13:24,709 --> 01:13:21,760
instead of

1705
01:13:25,350 --> 01:13:24,719
listening or reading what they said that

1706
01:13:27,830 --> 01:13:25,360
they had

1707
01:13:29,750 --> 01:13:27,840
teachers because all the ancient

1708
01:13:32,870 --> 01:13:29,760
astronaut theory suggests

1709
01:13:35,270 --> 01:13:32,880
is that a long long time ago our

1710
01:13:35,990 --> 01:13:35,280
so-called primitive ancestors and by

1711
01:13:38,470 --> 01:13:36,000
primitive

1712
01:13:40,070 --> 01:13:38,480
i am not referring to their intellect i

1713
01:13:43,189 --> 01:13:40,080
am referring to their

1714
01:13:46,310 --> 01:13:43,199
technological their tools were primitive

1715
01:13:49,350 --> 01:13:46,320
and we have to agree with this and so

1716
01:13:52,470 --> 01:13:49,360
the idea that somebody taught us

1717
01:13:55,750 --> 01:13:52,480
in in eons and eons ago

1718
01:13:56,149 --> 01:13:55,760
is not a wild proposition because if it

1719
01:14:01,110 --> 01:13:56,159
were

1720
01:14:03,270 --> 01:14:01,120
to suggest that human ingenuity

1721
01:14:04,870 --> 01:14:03,280
everything can be born out of a vacuum

1722
01:14:07,990 --> 01:14:04,880
well then let's abolish

1723
01:14:10,550 --> 01:14:08,000
any and all universities any and all

1724
01:14:11,110 --> 01:14:10,560
uh schools elementary middle high school

1725
01:14:13,590 --> 01:14:11,120
every

1726
01:14:14,470 --> 01:14:13,600
let's just throw it all out and see how

1727
01:14:16,709 --> 01:14:14,480
it goes

1728
01:14:18,070 --> 01:14:16,719
without being taught anything without

1729
01:14:21,110 --> 01:14:18,080
teachers i mean it's

1730
01:14:23,590 --> 01:14:21,120
absolutely it's nonsense to suggest

1731
01:14:25,510 --> 01:14:23,600
that you know we growing up need

1732
01:14:28,870 --> 01:14:25,520
teachers but our ancestors

1733
01:14:30,870 --> 01:14:28,880
uh 10 000 years ago oh they just they

1734
01:14:33,110 --> 01:14:30,880
just pulled it out of the ether

1735
01:14:34,229 --> 01:14:33,120
and then we have texts that say no the

1736
01:14:37,189 --> 01:14:34,239
knowledge was given

1737
01:14:37,510 --> 01:14:37,199
that's not an insult it is our history

1738
01:14:40,870 --> 01:14:37,520
and

1739
01:14:42,790 --> 01:14:40,880
that that's exactly the point i was

1740
01:14:44,709 --> 01:14:42,800
hoping you would it's not

1741
01:14:46,709 --> 01:14:44,719
the physical things because the physical

1742
01:14:48,790 --> 01:14:46,719
things are tremendous and they're fun

1743
01:14:50,390 --> 01:14:48,800
and and we get to look at it and we

1744
01:14:52,630 --> 01:14:50,400
challenge our minds

1745
01:14:53,910 --> 01:14:52,640
but you just hit the nail on the head

1746
01:14:57,510 --> 01:14:53,920
for me

1747
01:15:01,590 --> 01:14:57,520
the craziest thing about pumapunku is

1748
01:15:05,430 --> 01:15:01,600
no paper no pencils no drawing boards

1749
01:15:06,070 --> 01:15:05,440
no language none of those resources are

1750
01:15:09,189 --> 01:15:06,080
there

1751
01:15:12,870 --> 01:15:09,199
but yet these these blocks

1752
01:15:16,070 --> 01:15:12,880
were replicated with precision

1753
01:15:17,110 --> 01:15:16,080
that's the part without having a drawing

1754
01:15:19,750 --> 01:15:17,120
board

1755
01:15:20,709 --> 01:15:19,760
or engineering be you know because if

1756
01:15:23,189 --> 01:15:20,719
you could draw out

1757
01:15:23,990 --> 01:15:23,199
one plan right and hand it out to the

1758
01:15:27,030 --> 01:15:24,000
guys and go

1759
01:15:30,070 --> 01:15:27,040
okay go quarry this well all right well

1760
01:15:33,110 --> 01:15:30,080
okay all right i i could dig that

1761
01:15:35,830 --> 01:15:33,120
they didn't have any of that but yet

1762
01:15:37,750 --> 01:15:35,840
they replicated with precision that's

1763
01:15:39,510 --> 01:15:37,760
the part to me that is the most puzzling

1764
01:15:41,510 --> 01:15:39,520
and the hardest to overcome

1765
01:15:43,270 --> 01:15:41,520
what's also interesting is that

1766
01:15:46,229 --> 01:15:43,280
pumapunku just like

1767
01:15:47,590 --> 01:15:46,239
beckley tepe is one of the so gobekli

1768
01:15:50,950 --> 01:15:47,600
tepe everyone

1769
01:15:54,229 --> 01:15:50,960
uh is one of the places

1770
01:15:57,750 --> 01:15:54,239
that uh doesn't feature any

1771
01:16:00,070 --> 01:15:57,760
at least as far as we know today

1772
01:16:01,110 --> 01:16:00,080
there is no writing system there there

1773
01:16:03,030 --> 01:16:01,120
are no

1774
01:16:04,310 --> 01:16:03,040
there's no writing there's no glyphs

1775
01:16:07,350 --> 01:16:04,320
there is no there's only

1776
01:16:10,870 --> 01:16:07,360
drawings of weird creatures

1777
01:16:14,390 --> 01:16:10,880
many of them by the way who are winged

1778
01:16:15,270 --> 01:16:14,400
and that to me is like another smoking

1779
01:16:18,630 --> 01:16:15,280
gun

1780
01:16:21,270 --> 01:16:18,640
to illustrate beings with wings i am not

1781
01:16:22,310 --> 01:16:21,280
saying or i have never said that you

1782
01:16:24,470 --> 01:16:22,320
know

1783
01:16:25,990 --> 01:16:24,480
people came down from the sky with their

1784
01:16:28,149 --> 01:16:26,000
own wings

1785
01:16:29,910 --> 01:16:28,159
that was the symbolism that our

1786
01:16:30,790 --> 01:16:29,920
ancestors came up with that they

1787
01:16:34,149 --> 01:16:30,800
combined

1788
01:16:37,830 --> 01:16:34,159
or tried to symbolize flight with

1789
01:16:38,790 --> 01:16:37,840
wings of a bird i mean it is incredibly

1790
01:16:41,270 --> 01:16:38,800
smart it's

1791
01:16:42,630 --> 01:16:41,280
it's fantastic and fantastic

1792
01:16:45,750 --> 01:16:42,640
illustration

1793
01:16:46,149 --> 01:16:45,760
uh to combine this idea somebody helped

1794
01:16:49,990 --> 01:16:46,159
us

1795
01:16:52,470 --> 01:16:50,000
and they had the capability of flying

1796
01:16:53,750 --> 01:16:52,480
now there's another point i'm glad

1797
01:16:55,590 --> 01:16:53,760
you're not tired of talking about

1798
01:16:58,870 --> 01:16:55,600
pumapunku

1799
01:17:01,669 --> 01:16:58,880
we can do this all night um is this

1800
01:17:02,070 --> 01:17:01,679
the elevation hasn't changed right it's

1801
01:17:05,510 --> 01:17:02,080
not

1802
01:17:06,950 --> 01:17:05,520
that punku at one time was at sea level

1803
01:17:10,550 --> 01:17:06,960
with trees

1804
01:17:13,430 --> 01:17:10,560
um it it's at it's at 12 000 feet right

1805
01:17:15,030 --> 01:17:13,440
well that's a that's a great uh

1806
01:17:17,990 --> 01:17:15,040
observation you just

1807
01:17:19,510 --> 01:17:18,000
brought up jimmy because uh what's

1808
01:17:22,229 --> 01:17:19,520
fascinating is see

1809
01:17:24,070 --> 01:17:22,239
velikowski also always spoke about this

1810
01:17:26,070 --> 01:17:24,080
idea that there may have been some type

1811
01:17:26,790 --> 01:17:26,080
of a pole shift and if that were to

1812
01:17:29,270 --> 01:17:26,800
happen then

1813
01:17:31,830 --> 01:17:29,280
you basically have to picture the the

1814
01:17:34,709 --> 01:17:31,840
globe of the sphere of the earth

1815
01:17:35,030 --> 01:17:34,719
essentially you know flipping over and

1816
01:17:39,669 --> 01:17:35,040
the

1817
01:17:41,110 --> 01:17:39,679
are in a different position

1818
01:17:42,950 --> 01:17:41,120
because what's fascinating about

1819
01:17:46,149 --> 01:17:42,960
pumapunku is that they

1820
01:17:49,270 --> 01:17:46,159
actually found fossils of salt

1821
01:17:50,390 --> 01:17:49,280
water creatures from the pacific from

1822
01:17:53,750 --> 01:17:50,400
the ocean

1823
01:17:57,189 --> 01:17:53,760
so this means that at some point

1824
01:18:00,550 --> 01:17:57,199
uh that this this andean plateau

1825
01:18:01,350 --> 01:18:00,560
was much much lower or everything was

1826
01:18:04,470 --> 01:18:01,360
always

1827
01:18:05,430 --> 01:18:04,480
high up before it all broke off but at

1828
01:18:08,550 --> 01:18:05,440
some point there

1829
01:18:12,630 --> 01:18:08,560
absolutely was a connection

1830
01:18:16,229 --> 01:18:12,640
to the ocean up in pumapuku and

1831
01:18:19,750 --> 01:18:16,239
that would suggest that uh

1832
01:18:21,350 --> 01:18:19,760
these stories or not stories but these

1833
01:18:24,149 --> 01:18:21,360
the calculations

1834
01:18:24,830 --> 01:18:24,159
that um some people did in the 1920s

1835
01:18:27,830 --> 01:18:24,840
until

1836
01:18:31,510 --> 01:18:27,840
1960s that

1837
01:18:34,070 --> 01:18:31,520
perhaps pumapunku dates back

1838
01:18:35,430 --> 01:18:34,080
with tiwanaku by the way because this is

1839
01:18:37,990 --> 01:18:35,440
how this all established

1840
01:18:39,110 --> 01:18:38,000
with the uh the gate of the sun and the

1841
01:18:41,830 --> 01:18:39,120
gate of the moon

1842
01:18:43,669 --> 01:18:41,840
that they were able to look at these uh

1843
01:18:46,630 --> 01:18:43,679
carvings on there and they determined

1844
01:18:47,750 --> 01:18:46,640
oh it could be some type of a calendar

1845
01:18:50,950 --> 01:18:47,760
the guy i'm referring to

1846
01:18:54,229 --> 01:18:50,960
is is arthur posnansky and

1847
01:18:57,430 --> 01:18:54,239
he calculated that perhaps

1848
01:19:00,950 --> 01:18:57,440
this um place dates

1849
01:19:04,390 --> 01:19:00,960
back uh maybe 20

1850
01:19:08,630 --> 01:19:04,400
25 000 years and

1851
01:19:12,070 --> 01:19:08,640
the answer is it's a huge problem

1852
01:19:13,430 --> 01:19:12,080
to date stone and this is the the fact

1853
01:19:16,470 --> 01:19:13,440
that we are

1854
01:19:20,070 --> 01:19:16,480
facing that currently there

1855
01:19:23,270 --> 01:19:20,080
are no inexpensive ways

1856
01:19:24,550 --> 01:19:23,280
how to date stone you can do it but it's

1857
01:19:26,790 --> 01:19:24,560
incredibly expensive

1858
01:19:28,550 --> 01:19:26,800
and every time by the way some of these

1859
01:19:32,310 --> 01:19:28,560
techniques have been used

1860
01:19:33,750 --> 01:19:32,320
the result is always thousands and

1861
01:19:37,110 --> 01:19:33,760
thousands of years

1862
01:19:40,390 --> 01:19:37,120
earlier than what mainstream archaeology

1863
01:19:43,750 --> 01:19:40,400
claims when and when it was built

1864
01:19:47,110 --> 01:19:43,760
now uh pumu punku uh tiwanaku

1865
01:19:49,270 --> 01:19:47,120
is is a stone's throw away

1866
01:19:50,870 --> 01:19:49,280
like literally you could yes you could

1867
01:19:53,990 --> 01:19:50,880
probably hit it with a baseball

1868
01:19:56,070 --> 01:19:54,000
right uh i'm sure you could i've i

1869
01:19:57,510 --> 01:19:56,080
i'm not sure about myself but you could

1870
01:19:59,669 --> 01:19:57,520
i'm sure yes absolutely

1871
01:20:01,030 --> 01:19:59,679
it's in walking distance yeah walking

1872
01:20:04,070 --> 01:20:01,040
yeah i mean

1873
01:20:07,669 --> 01:20:04,080
if i hope we can travel again

1874
01:20:08,229 --> 01:20:07,679
soon but i recommend that you spend at

1875
01:20:10,870 --> 01:20:08,239
least

1876
01:20:12,790 --> 01:20:10,880
two days there so that on the first day

1877
01:20:13,430 --> 01:20:12,800
you look at tianaku and on the second

1878
01:20:15,590 --> 01:20:13,440
day

1879
01:20:17,189 --> 01:20:15,600
you look at pumapunku or you do half a

1880
01:20:20,229 --> 01:20:17,199
day there and half a day there

1881
01:20:22,310 --> 01:20:20,239
you can walk in between the two

1882
01:20:24,629 --> 01:20:22,320
and you know when i was there for the

1883
01:20:27,830 --> 01:20:24,639
first time in 1996

1884
01:20:30,629 --> 01:20:27,840
there was absolutely nothing there but a

1885
01:20:33,750 --> 01:20:30,639
couple of buildings and a

1886
01:20:35,510 --> 01:20:33,760
and dirt roads and nothing now you have

1887
01:20:38,070 --> 01:20:35,520
a couple of hotels

1888
01:20:38,790 --> 01:20:38,080
you've got a restaurant and you know i

1889
01:20:41,430 --> 01:20:38,800
mean

1890
01:20:42,790 --> 01:20:41,440
incredible and you can have for lunch

1891
01:20:45,669 --> 01:20:42,800
you can have some

1892
01:20:47,830 --> 01:20:45,679
uh uh llama meat if you would like it's

1893
01:20:51,350 --> 01:20:47,840
delicious by the way

1894
01:20:52,390 --> 01:20:51,360
you know so it's it it's night and day

1895
01:20:55,830 --> 01:20:52,400
there now

1896
01:20:56,870 --> 01:20:55,840
and uh but i think it's wonderful that a

1897
01:21:00,390 --> 01:20:56,880
place

1898
01:21:03,910 --> 01:21:00,400
as remote as as tionaku

1899
01:21:06,390 --> 01:21:03,920
it it has become a tourist place because

1900
01:21:07,189 --> 01:21:06,400
it supports also the local community now

1901
01:21:08,870 --> 01:21:07,199
what what

1902
01:21:10,470 --> 01:21:08,880
is you know we always talk about

1903
01:21:14,390 --> 01:21:10,480
coincidences right

1904
01:21:17,110 --> 01:21:14,400
um the two areas are separate

1905
01:21:17,910 --> 01:21:17,120
but yet they are so close that we have

1906
01:21:20,709 --> 01:21:17,920
to step back

1907
01:21:21,750 --> 01:21:20,719
and say what is so special about this

1908
01:21:24,870 --> 01:21:21,760
area

1909
01:21:27,590 --> 01:21:24,880
what what was going on because uh

1910
01:21:28,550 --> 01:21:27,600
they they could quite possibly separate

1911
01:21:32,709 --> 01:21:28,560
each other

1912
01:21:36,550 --> 01:21:32,719
by thousands of years right but yet

1913
01:21:39,910 --> 01:21:36,560
they are the same spot on google earth

1914
01:21:42,149 --> 01:21:39,920
yeah and and i think that this

1915
01:21:43,910 --> 01:21:42,159
could potentially have something to do

1916
01:21:47,270 --> 01:21:43,920
with

1917
01:21:48,390 --> 01:21:47,280
that some type of an extraterrestrial

1918
01:21:52,310 --> 01:21:48,400
event

1919
01:21:56,229 --> 01:21:52,320
happened and some type of a visitation

1920
01:21:59,910 --> 01:21:56,239
and then the local people wanted to put

1921
01:22:01,510 --> 01:21:59,920
in stone a type of a landmark a type of

1922
01:22:03,350 --> 01:22:01,520
a remembrance that something

1923
01:22:06,629 --> 01:22:03,360
extraordinary happened

1924
01:22:09,189 --> 01:22:06,639
in that particular area and so the fact

1925
01:22:12,709 --> 01:22:09,199
that we have these stories of giants

1926
01:22:15,350 --> 01:22:12,719
or you know the so-called gods

1927
01:22:15,750 --> 01:22:15,360
uh and these stories by the way i have

1928
01:22:18,709 --> 01:22:15,760
met

1929
01:22:19,669 --> 01:22:18,719
many locals and and they carry these

1930
01:22:23,270 --> 01:22:19,679
stories

1931
01:22:24,310 --> 01:22:23,280
forward to them this is not uh allegory

1932
01:22:28,149 --> 01:22:24,320
it's not

1933
01:22:29,830 --> 01:22:28,159
you know fantasy and so you know i i

1934
01:22:32,950 --> 01:22:29,840
have a hard time

1935
01:22:33,830 --> 01:22:32,960
when you know people try to explain it

1936
01:22:36,790 --> 01:22:33,840
away

1937
01:22:38,790 --> 01:22:36,800
when the local population says well no

1938
01:22:39,669 --> 01:22:38,800
wait a second according to our

1939
01:22:42,070 --> 01:22:39,679
traditions

1940
01:22:43,910 --> 01:22:42,080
this is what we think happened and then

1941
01:22:45,910 --> 01:22:43,920
we come in not us but

1942
01:22:47,270 --> 01:22:45,920
some some of the archaeologists they

1943
01:22:49,189 --> 01:22:47,280
come in and say well

1944
01:22:51,110 --> 01:22:49,199
actually you you should look at it that

1945
01:22:53,669 --> 01:22:51,120
way uh

1946
01:22:55,590 --> 01:22:53,679
no we are the ones actually from the

1947
01:22:57,910 --> 01:22:55,600
ancient astronaut camp

1948
01:22:59,189 --> 01:22:57,920
when the local population says that

1949
01:23:02,229 --> 01:22:59,199
they've had help

1950
01:23:03,750 --> 01:23:02,239
from teachers that happen to descend

1951
01:23:05,510 --> 01:23:03,760
from the sky

1952
01:23:07,750 --> 01:23:05,520
we've actually decided to listen to

1953
01:23:10,950 --> 01:23:07,760
these stories because

1954
01:23:14,790 --> 01:23:10,960
those stories in most cases are

1955
01:23:17,270 --> 01:23:14,800
correct now how is the

1956
01:23:18,149 --> 01:23:17,280
uh the local tour guides you know when

1957
01:23:21,350 --> 01:23:18,159
you're not there

1958
01:23:23,750 --> 01:23:21,360
right childress is not down

1959
01:23:26,229 --> 01:23:23,760
but the the tourists are coming through

1960
01:23:29,350 --> 01:23:26,239
how are they now describing

1961
01:23:32,390 --> 01:23:29,360
the sites and potentially uh

1962
01:23:35,910 --> 01:23:32,400
what is involved here are they going

1963
01:23:38,310 --> 01:23:35,920
uh ancient astronaut theory

1964
01:23:40,229 --> 01:23:38,320
or are they trying to keep it clean and

1965
01:23:42,870 --> 01:23:40,239
going with the orthodox

1966
01:23:44,550 --> 01:23:42,880
uh you know the the local archaeologists

1967
01:23:46,709 --> 01:23:44,560
and schools and government how how do

1968
01:23:48,550 --> 01:23:46,719
they approach what's going on

1969
01:23:50,790 --> 01:23:48,560
well that's a i have a funny little

1970
01:23:51,510 --> 01:23:50,800
anecdote for you and that is a few years

1971
01:23:54,310 --> 01:23:51,520
ago i

1972
01:23:55,270 --> 01:23:54,320
i was in mexico uh exploring some sites

1973
01:23:58,550 --> 01:23:55,280
and

1974
01:23:59,990 --> 01:23:58,560
i was with this guide who at first did

1975
01:24:03,430 --> 01:24:00,000
not recognize

1976
01:24:06,709 --> 01:24:03,440
what i did or or what you know what i

1977
01:24:09,350 --> 01:24:06,719
where i'm from and all of this and so he

1978
01:24:10,870 --> 01:24:09,360
was curious that i would ask and and

1979
01:24:14,070 --> 01:24:10,880
cricks was with me as well

1980
01:24:16,629 --> 01:24:14,080
so i have a witness um

1981
01:24:17,110 --> 01:24:16,639
he noticed that i where we both asked

1982
01:24:19,750 --> 01:24:17,120
very

1983
01:24:21,830 --> 01:24:19,760
you know specific you know detailed

1984
01:24:22,470 --> 01:24:21,840
questions about history archaeology this

1985
01:24:24,470 --> 01:24:22,480
and that

1986
01:24:26,470 --> 01:24:24,480
he's like ah you know you know your

1987
01:24:30,149 --> 01:24:26,480
stuff and i'm like yeah yeah you know

1988
01:24:31,990 --> 01:24:30,159
you know it's my hobby and um

1989
01:24:33,830 --> 01:24:32,000
sooner and then all of a sudden out of

1990
01:24:36,310 --> 01:24:33,840
the blue he says you know

1991
01:24:37,270 --> 01:24:36,320
some people say that uh this had

1992
01:24:40,550 --> 01:24:37,280
something to do

1993
01:24:43,830 --> 01:24:40,560
perhaps with space aliens but

1994
01:24:44,870 --> 01:24:43,840
i think that's crazy and then i did not

1995
01:24:47,510 --> 01:24:44,880
say a word

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01:24:48,629 --> 01:24:47,520
but over the next two hours i dropped a

1997
01:24:51,189 --> 01:24:48,639
hint there i

1998
01:24:52,310 --> 01:24:51,199
i dropped a hint there and it's like

1999
01:24:54,709 --> 01:24:52,320
wait a second

2000
01:24:56,070 --> 01:24:54,719
do you watch ancient aliens and i'm like

2001
01:25:00,310 --> 01:24:56,080
no actually i'm on it

2002
01:25:03,750 --> 01:25:00,320
and and and then that man's brain

2003
01:25:06,870 --> 01:25:03,760
opened up and we spent an entire next

2004
01:25:10,390 --> 01:25:06,880
three days together exploring

2005
01:25:14,470 --> 01:25:10,400
places and you could see that in

2006
01:25:17,510 --> 01:25:14,480
that man's brain something opened

2007
01:25:20,550 --> 01:25:17,520
and you know

2008
01:25:23,669 --> 01:25:20,560
and again and i i can't say this

2009
01:25:26,790 --> 01:25:23,679
enough nobody has ever suggested

2010
01:25:30,390 --> 01:25:26,800
that the ancient structures were not

2011
01:25:33,669 --> 01:25:30,400
built by humans it was

2012
01:25:36,070 --> 01:25:33,679
it was always humans always so

2013
01:25:37,590 --> 01:25:36,080
you know the the attacks and all this

2014
01:25:40,550 --> 01:25:37,600
nonsense you know

2015
01:25:41,590 --> 01:25:40,560
it goes in my left ear and it goes out

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01:25:44,950 --> 01:25:41,600
on the right

2017
01:25:48,390 --> 01:25:44,960
yeah giorgio here we are um

2018
01:25:49,750 --> 01:25:48,400
in uh officially 2021 and i hope that uh

2019
01:25:52,870 --> 01:25:49,760
you and cricks are

2020
01:25:56,310 --> 01:25:52,880
are healthy and cool but we

2021
01:26:00,070 --> 01:25:56,320
are coming off of three years of pretty

2022
01:26:02,790 --> 01:26:00,080
intense media coverage of of ufos

2023
01:26:04,629 --> 01:26:02,800
and it has been been non-stop and i'm

2024
01:26:06,310 --> 01:26:04,639
enjoying all of it the super bowl

2025
01:26:08,070 --> 01:26:06,320
i know you didn't watch it but the super

2026
01:26:11,110 --> 01:26:08,080
bowl had uh

2027
01:26:13,669 --> 01:26:11,120
commercials uh each one uh

2028
01:26:15,189 --> 01:26:13,679
was aliens or e.t it was it's pretty

2029
01:26:16,390 --> 01:26:15,199
crazy this year well you were in the

2030
01:26:19,750 --> 01:26:16,400
taco bell commercial

2031
01:26:20,070 --> 01:26:19,760
uh a couple of years ago but where are

2032
01:26:24,790 --> 01:26:20,080
we

2033
01:26:27,910 --> 01:26:24,800
close to

2034
01:26:30,709 --> 01:26:27,920
to an event whether it is something

2035
01:26:32,310 --> 01:26:30,719
in the skies or something more official

2036
01:26:35,669 --> 01:26:32,320
from a government

2037
01:26:37,510 --> 01:26:35,679
uh yes i i really do i mean obviously

2038
01:26:38,950 --> 01:26:37,520
i've been saying for two decades now

2039
01:26:42,070 --> 01:26:38,960
that in our lifetime

2040
01:26:45,030 --> 01:26:42,080
we will make contact official contact

2041
01:26:45,669 --> 01:26:45,040
but you know i really think that we are

2042
01:26:48,470 --> 01:26:45,679
in

2043
01:26:50,709 --> 01:26:48,480
the middle of disclosure and i've said

2044
01:26:53,510 --> 01:26:50,719
this on this show before disclosure

2045
01:26:55,030 --> 01:26:53,520
is not one press conference it's not you

2046
01:26:56,950 --> 01:26:55,040
know okay here it is

2047
01:26:58,229 --> 01:26:56,960
i think what's happened in the past two

2048
01:27:01,030 --> 01:26:58,239
three years

2049
01:27:01,990 --> 01:27:01,040
is disclosure it's part of the bigger

2050
01:27:05,110 --> 01:27:02,000
picture

2051
01:27:08,149 --> 01:27:05,120
and uh you know i i think it's uh

2052
01:27:10,390 --> 01:27:08,159
it's fascinating to to witness

2053
01:27:11,510 --> 01:27:10,400
all of this all of these goings are

2054
01:27:15,030 --> 01:27:11,520
going on

2055
01:27:17,590 --> 01:27:15,040
ons and um at the same time though

2056
01:27:19,110 --> 01:27:17,600
you know there are now people and by the

2057
01:27:22,750 --> 01:27:19,120
way i remember receiving

2058
01:27:26,070 --> 01:27:22,760
a fax a fax in

2059
01:27:27,910 --> 01:27:26,080
1999 where somebody said well you know

2060
01:27:30,070 --> 01:27:27,920
when the ufos show up

2061
01:27:32,390 --> 01:27:30,080
it'll just be projections into the sky

2062
01:27:34,070 --> 01:27:32,400
for ufos and things like that and

2063
01:27:35,830 --> 01:27:34,080
project blue beam or whatever or or

2064
01:27:40,229 --> 01:27:35,840
whatever that thing is called

2065
01:27:43,669 --> 01:27:40,239
right and so it's all just mass

2066
01:27:46,229 --> 01:27:43,679
it's just a stage show and

2067
01:27:48,790 --> 01:27:46,239
all i have to say to that and especially

2068
01:27:52,470 --> 01:27:48,800
with what's been going on in the past

2069
01:27:56,629 --> 01:27:52,480
uh three years and whatnot we all need

2070
01:28:03,669 --> 01:28:00,310
we are too cynical the cynicism is

2071
01:28:06,709 --> 01:28:03,679
rampant everything is a conspiracy

2072
01:28:09,750 --> 01:28:06,719
everything is something sinister and i

2073
01:28:12,390 --> 01:28:09,760
say enough we need to start looking

2074
01:28:14,310 --> 01:28:12,400
at the good that is on this planet and

2075
01:28:16,550 --> 01:28:14,320
not let us be led by fear

2076
01:28:18,390 --> 01:28:16,560
and by that i'm not saying that you know

2077
01:28:21,990 --> 01:28:18,400
wearing your mask that is fearful

2078
01:28:25,430 --> 01:28:22,000
no it's courteous man so uh

2079
01:28:27,430 --> 01:28:25,440
this idea that you know if and when

2080
01:28:29,350 --> 01:28:27,440
the extraterrestrials if we see their

2081
01:28:31,910 --> 01:28:29,360
ships up in the sky

2082
01:28:32,709 --> 01:28:31,920
by the masses that that is just some you

2083
01:28:35,830 --> 01:28:32,719
know

2084
01:28:38,870 --> 01:28:35,840
uh technology projected into the sky

2085
01:28:41,030 --> 01:28:38,880
that's that's i i don't know

2086
01:28:42,229 --> 01:28:41,040
what happened to some of those people

2087
01:28:45,430 --> 01:28:42,239
that they have lost

2088
01:28:47,669 --> 01:28:45,440
all sense of wonder that everything

2089
01:28:48,629 --> 01:28:47,679
everything these days is is just you

2090
01:28:51,110 --> 01:28:48,639
know

2091
01:28:53,110 --> 01:28:51,120
labeled a conspiracy and i mean we are

2092
01:28:56,790 --> 01:28:53,120
living in very bizarre times

2093
01:29:00,070 --> 01:28:56,800
now giorgio i've got exactly two minutes

2094
01:29:02,550 --> 01:29:00,080
left resident alien

2095
01:29:03,990 --> 01:29:02,560
spill the beans man spill the beans

2096
01:29:06,870 --> 01:29:04,000
what's going on

2097
01:29:09,510 --> 01:29:06,880
so the resident alien is a new show on

2098
01:29:11,510 --> 01:29:09,520
the sci-fi channel which was created by

2099
01:29:12,790 --> 01:29:11,520
chris sheridan he is the guy that

2100
01:29:16,310 --> 01:29:12,800
created this show

2101
01:29:19,669 --> 01:29:16,320
and it's based on the 2012 comic

2102
01:29:21,110 --> 01:29:19,679
called a a resident alien by peter hogan

2103
01:29:24,070 --> 01:29:21,120
and steve parkhouse

2104
01:29:25,510 --> 01:29:24,080
and it's this new show on sci-fi with

2105
01:29:28,390 --> 01:29:25,520
alan tudyk

2106
01:29:29,350 --> 01:29:28,400
and an an incredibly wonderful cast and

2107
01:29:32,470 --> 01:29:29,360
in fact

2108
01:29:36,070 --> 01:29:32,480
tonight after the show it airs at 10

2109
01:29:38,950 --> 01:29:36,080
p.m on sci-fi and tonight is

2110
01:29:40,950 --> 01:29:38,960
is episode three i was i had a little

2111
01:29:44,470 --> 01:29:40,960
appearance in episode two

2112
01:29:47,189 --> 01:29:44,480
and i will have an actual appearance

2113
01:29:47,910 --> 01:29:47,199
later in the show i can't tell you when

2114
01:29:51,350 --> 01:29:47,920
and where

2115
01:29:54,149 --> 01:29:51,360
you just have to tune in it's very dark

2116
01:29:54,870 --> 01:29:54,159
it's very very funny and i think people

2117
01:29:58,070 --> 01:29:54,880
will love it

2118
01:30:01,590 --> 01:29:58,080
so far they're doing great by the way so

2119
01:30:05,110 --> 01:30:01,600
you're you're a plot twist

2120
01:30:07,590 --> 01:30:05,120
maybe oh man it's such a great

2121
01:30:09,830 --> 01:30:07,600
you know it's such a great show and it

2122
01:30:12,950 --> 01:30:09,840
caught me by surprise uh

2123
01:30:15,350 --> 01:30:12,960
liz right and and um and

2124
01:30:17,750 --> 01:30:15,360
the look on her face at that moment i

2125
01:30:22,310 --> 01:30:17,760
thought to myself

2126
01:30:26,709 --> 01:30:25,110
and and it was uh it was a special

2127
01:30:28,629 --> 01:30:26,719
moment and i couldn't wait to ask you

2128
01:30:31,110 --> 01:30:28,639
about that on the show

2129
01:30:33,350 --> 01:30:31,120
listen our best to you and cricks this

2130
01:30:34,310 --> 01:30:33,360
friday ancient aliens with william

2131
01:30:36,629 --> 01:30:34,320
shatner

2132
01:30:37,830 --> 01:30:36,639
and the big round table with the ancient

2133
01:30:39,590 --> 01:30:37,840
alien crew

2134
01:30:41,830 --> 01:30:39,600
giorgio thank you so much the fader

2135
01:30:43,030 --> 01:30:41,840
knots love you uh we love you around

2136
01:30:46,310 --> 01:30:43,040
here you know this man

2137
01:30:48,470 --> 01:30:46,320
and uh i can't wait for us to hang out

2138
01:30:50,310 --> 01:30:48,480
it's been too long but we'll get it done

2139
01:30:52,550 --> 01:30:50,320
soon thank you so much

2140
01:30:53,430 --> 01:30:52,560
love you guys thank you jimmy take care

2141
01:30:56,950 --> 01:30:53,440
bye-bye

2142
01:30:58,870 --> 01:30:56,960
giorgio suclose now it is this friday

2143
01:31:01,510 --> 01:30:58,880
premiering with william shatner

2144
01:31:02,790 --> 01:31:01,520
ancient aliens and tonight after the

2145
01:31:05,510 --> 01:31:02,800
show of course

2146
01:31:06,149 --> 01:31:05,520
is resident alien giorgio suclose the

2147
01:31:08,390 --> 01:31:06,159
best

2148
01:31:10,870 --> 01:31:08,400
i'm your host jimmy church when i come

2149
01:31:13,189 --> 01:31:10,880
back after this short break

2150
01:31:16,470 --> 01:31:13,199
dave schrader of the holzer files thank

2151
01:31:22,550 --> 01:31:16,480
you so much georgio good night

2152
01:31:27,030 --> 01:31:23,590
good night georgio

2153
01:31:27,040 --> 01:31:33,830
the absolute best i'll be right back

2154
01:31:40,070 --> 01:31:36,950
way out here we listen to jimmy church

2155
01:31:41,910 --> 01:31:40,080
you're listening to fade to black

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always on the edge of the hottest

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you are listening to fate to black with

2204
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jimmy church on the game changer network

2205
01:34:08,550 --> 01:34:07,440
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2206
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2207
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welcome back fate to black i am your

2212
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host jimmy church

2213
01:35:09,430 --> 01:35:07,360
closing out tv week tonight with

2214
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well that was giorgio sucralose right

2215
01:35:12,709 --> 01:35:11,040
now it's dave schrader

2216
01:35:14,550 --> 01:35:12,719
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welcome to the show the one and only

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dave schrader joins us tonight uh of

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course

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host of the holzer files now in the

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middle of season three

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and dave has lived a life immersed in

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the paranormal

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that's right ghostly visitations we're

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talking about bigfoot sightings

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ufo encounters he seems to i don't know

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01:36:25,030 --> 01:36:23,520
how he does it

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he's always in the right place at the

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01:36:27,270 --> 01:36:26,719
right time and i would like to welcome

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01:36:28,790 --> 01:36:27,280
back

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to fade to black the one and only dave

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schrader dave good evening man you look

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01:36:33,270 --> 01:36:31,360
great

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01:36:34,790 --> 01:36:33,280
hey jimmy thanks a lot did i get the

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01:36:35,430 --> 01:36:34,800
camera working right are you able to see

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01:36:38,310 --> 01:36:35,440
me

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01:36:39,030 --> 01:36:38,320
look at you man you're all pro i'm

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01:36:40,390 --> 01:36:39,040
trying

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01:36:43,109 --> 01:36:40,400
i never hook up a camera to this

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01:36:44,870 --> 01:36:43,119
computer so you're uh you're getting a

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01:36:46,229 --> 01:36:44,880
unique perspective here uh but it's good

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01:36:46,790 --> 01:36:46,239
i like being able to actually look and

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01:36:49,030 --> 01:36:46,800
see you

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01:36:51,030 --> 01:36:49,040
uh for our conversation so this is good

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you're shaved do you have a clean shirt

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on

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01:36:57,669 --> 01:36:55,520
well relatively yeah hey man but i i

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like your enthusiasm but uh we're not in

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01:37:02,149 --> 01:36:58,880
season three yet

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01:37:05,270 --> 01:37:02,159
this is season two we did a mid-season

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um break as cable tv likes to do and

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01:37:08,790 --> 01:37:07,119
there was the big change up over a

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01:37:10,390 --> 01:37:08,800
travel channel uh that all the

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01:37:11,430 --> 01:37:10,400
paranormal programming switched over to

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discovery plus

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right and um i am uh

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01:37:17,669 --> 01:37:16,800
there so our first episode just began

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airing

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01:37:22,790 --> 01:37:20,880
this saturday and uh it is the back

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01:37:24,390 --> 01:37:22,800
what seven of our episodes for the

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01:37:27,189 --> 01:37:24,400
season so we've got seven

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01:37:28,709 --> 01:37:27,199
uh now six episodes left uh exciting

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01:37:30,149 --> 01:37:28,719
time so it's good uh

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01:37:31,510 --> 01:37:30,159
you know we got a lot of great stuff

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01:37:32,390 --> 01:37:31,520
going on here and i'm hoping even with

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the transition

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01:37:36,390 --> 01:37:35,040
of the show from travel to discovery

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01:37:37,990 --> 01:37:36,400
plus with all the rest of the paranormal

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01:37:38,390 --> 01:37:38,000
i'm hoping we'll be seeing a season

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01:37:41,350 --> 01:37:38,400
three

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01:37:41,750 --> 01:37:41,360
well see this is the thing with uh you

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01:37:44,709 --> 01:37:41,760
know

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01:37:46,229 --> 01:37:44,719
the pandemic i'm i'm holed up just like

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01:37:48,709 --> 01:37:46,239
everybody else is

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01:37:49,590 --> 01:37:48,719
everything's a blur and when i started

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01:37:52,870 --> 01:37:49,600
to read

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01:37:55,750 --> 01:37:52,880
what was going on i was like wow

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01:37:56,550 --> 01:37:55,760
season three of the holzer files right

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01:38:00,950 --> 01:37:56,560
and that's

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01:38:04,550 --> 01:38:00,960
that i read through it but

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01:38:06,310 --> 01:38:04,560
but exciting stuff and last night uh oh

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01:38:08,870 --> 01:38:06,320
let me ask you this dave i want to start

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01:38:09,669 --> 01:38:08,880
off here uh you've had such a long

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01:38:12,629 --> 01:38:09,679
career

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in in radio and and of course the

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01:38:17,510 --> 01:38:14,719
podcast and darkness radio

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01:38:19,109 --> 01:38:17,520
um and now um all of this tv stuff that

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01:38:20,629 --> 01:38:19,119
you've been doing not only uh with the

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01:38:22,229 --> 01:38:20,639
holzer files but uh

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01:38:25,430 --> 01:38:22,239
ghost adventures and the things that you

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01:38:27,750 --> 01:38:25,440
have done what do you prefer

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01:38:29,830 --> 01:38:27,760
what do you prefer radio or tv where's

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01:38:33,030 --> 01:38:29,840
your comfort level

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i'm uh i like how one feeds the other to

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01:38:37,990 --> 01:38:34,400
be honest with you i grew up

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wanting to do radio i fantasized about

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01:38:42,390 --> 01:38:39,760
doing radio i used to contact

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01:38:43,109 --> 01:38:42,400
local radio bigwigs in chicago larry

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lujack

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and wally phillips and roy leonard and

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01:38:50,709 --> 01:38:47,920
you know just some of these classic

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01:38:53,189 --> 01:38:50,719
names steve doll gary meyer i wanted

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01:38:55,030 --> 01:38:53,199
to talk about radio and especially like

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01:38:57,430 --> 01:38:55,040
just their personalities

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01:38:58,470 --> 01:38:57,440
even though most of them weren't talk

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radio show hosts

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they led morning shows and think did

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01:39:02,709 --> 01:39:01,760
things like that so that's always kind

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01:39:06,390 --> 01:39:02,719
of

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01:39:08,070 --> 01:39:06,400
um been my my desire so

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01:39:10,070 --> 01:39:08,080
you know i've been lucky enough now 15

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years of doing darkness radio

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01:39:14,149 --> 01:39:12,000
i got to do a couple years in college

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01:39:16,390 --> 01:39:14,159
with radio and loved it and now

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01:39:17,669 --> 01:39:16,400
it kind of blends into the tv cycle so

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01:39:19,750 --> 01:39:17,679
i'm doing um

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01:39:21,350 --> 01:39:19,760
holzer files again which just kicked off

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01:39:24,070 --> 01:39:21,360
again the the second part of the season

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01:39:27,830 --> 01:39:24,080
on discovery plus i've been a guest on

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01:39:29,830 --> 01:39:27,840
the new tv show called um fright club

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01:39:31,669 --> 01:39:29,840
with the ghost brothers and jack osborne

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01:39:33,510 --> 01:39:31,679
i'm in episodes two and three

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01:39:34,950 --> 01:39:33,520
so i like that i can pop in and do these

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01:39:38,629 --> 01:39:34,960
things and that because of

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01:39:40,149 --> 01:39:38,639
what i've done in radio it it has people

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01:39:42,070 --> 01:39:40,159
acknowledge me in different ways

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01:39:44,229 --> 01:39:42,080
and i got what i think is one of the

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01:39:47,030 --> 01:39:44,239
best compliments ever jimmy from this

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01:39:48,950 --> 01:39:47,040
last episode of uh fright club the ghost

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01:39:51,270 --> 01:39:48,960
brothers refer to me as the chuck norris

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01:39:54,470 --> 01:39:51,280
of the paranormal so i'll take that

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01:39:55,270 --> 01:39:54,480
and and that's cool that's absolutely

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01:39:59,430 --> 01:39:55,280
cool

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01:40:02,229 --> 01:39:59,440
um and now this is uh another thing

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01:40:03,270 --> 01:40:02,239
uh for me when i think about dave

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01:40:06,709 --> 01:40:03,280
schrader

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01:40:09,350 --> 01:40:06,719
um i look to you as a resource for

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01:40:10,390 --> 01:40:09,360
the paranormal and ghost hunting and and

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01:40:13,350 --> 01:40:10,400
bigfoot

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01:40:13,830 --> 01:40:13,360
and and ufos but then there's the whole

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01:40:17,350 --> 01:40:13,840
true

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01:40:20,390 --> 01:40:17,360
crime uh part of of of what you do

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01:40:23,910 --> 01:40:20,400
and where your knowledge base is if if

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01:40:25,430 --> 01:40:23,920
you can look at yourself as being an

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01:40:28,629 --> 01:40:25,440
expert in one of those fields

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01:40:32,310 --> 01:40:30,790
boy that term expert really kind of what

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01:40:35,109 --> 01:40:32,320
do you know

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01:40:35,750 --> 01:40:35,119
it does it does it does i don't i don't

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01:40:38,870 --> 01:40:35,760
think i'm an

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01:40:42,310 --> 01:40:38,880
expert uh per se in true crime i

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01:40:45,510 --> 01:40:42,320
my interest uh in it is unfortunate that

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it was because i had uh a dear friend of

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01:40:49,430 --> 01:40:46,480
mine she was my first

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01:40:50,229 --> 01:40:49,440
girlfriend in high school um and we you

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01:40:51,830 --> 01:40:50,239
know

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01:40:54,149 --> 01:40:51,840
dated briefly in high school and

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01:40:55,030 --> 01:40:54,159
remained friends and years later when my

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01:40:58,390 --> 01:40:55,040
first son was

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01:40:59,750 --> 01:40:58,400
to be born and we reconnected his

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01:41:01,510 --> 01:40:59,760
friends and

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01:41:04,470 --> 01:41:01,520
and helped uh you know i helped her try

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01:41:05,030 --> 01:41:04,480
to get back on her feet and a few years

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01:41:07,910 --> 01:41:05,040
later

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01:41:09,109 --> 01:41:07,920
i think gosh going on 25 years 26 years

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01:41:11,430 --> 01:41:09,119
here now she was

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01:41:13,510 --> 01:41:11,440
murdered and along with two of her

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01:41:16,070 --> 01:41:13,520
children and it just

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01:41:18,390 --> 01:41:16,080
that really got me into the fascination

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01:41:21,430 --> 01:41:18,400
with true crime of wanting to understand

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01:41:24,070 --> 01:41:21,440
how and why people do

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01:41:25,669 --> 01:41:24,080
the heinous things that they do so that

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01:41:26,950 --> 01:41:25,679
was it and then

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01:41:29,270 --> 01:41:26,960
i learned quick you know when we were

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01:41:31,750 --> 01:41:29,280
doing darkness radio uh trying to find

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01:41:32,550 --> 01:41:31,760
compelling paranormal guests five nights

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01:41:35,430 --> 01:41:32,560
a week is not

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01:41:37,510 --> 01:41:35,440
as you know not always the easiest thing

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01:41:38,390 --> 01:41:37,520
so i told tim i said what if we expanded

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01:41:40,310 --> 01:41:38,400
whenever we do a

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01:41:42,310 --> 01:41:40,320
paranormal show that has a true crime

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01:41:44,070 --> 01:41:42,320
slant it explodes

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01:41:46,310 --> 01:41:44,080
what if we just dedicate tuesdays to

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01:41:47,109 --> 01:41:46,320
true crime and you know he was reluctant

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01:41:49,510 --> 01:41:47,119
at first and he said

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01:41:51,189 --> 01:41:49,520
i'll trust you you have good instincts

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01:41:52,709 --> 01:41:51,199
and we went to true crime tuesday on our

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01:41:53,590 --> 01:41:52,719
show and it's been with us now i think

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01:41:56,790 --> 01:41:53,600
nine years

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01:41:58,149 --> 01:41:56,800
and um people love it but i one show a

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01:41:59,430 --> 01:41:58,159
week is enough for me on that because

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01:42:02,629 --> 01:41:59,440
you get immersed in such

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01:42:05,350 --> 01:42:02,639
dark icky stuff that

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01:42:07,189 --> 01:42:05,360
i you know i like the break of of having

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01:42:09,350 --> 01:42:07,199
wednesdays be supernatural news and

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01:42:10,950 --> 01:42:09,360
parachute and we can laugh about

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01:42:13,109 --> 01:42:10,960
you know weird news from around the

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01:42:15,510 --> 01:42:13,119
world and read people's stories and

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01:42:16,950 --> 01:42:15,520
have their calls so that kind of breaks

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01:42:18,550 --> 01:42:16,960
up the monotony of

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01:42:20,629 --> 01:42:18,560
of that and then every thursday now on

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01:42:21,750 --> 01:42:20,639
darkness radio we we do our guests so

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01:42:24,550 --> 01:42:21,760
it's kind of a nice

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01:42:25,750 --> 01:42:24,560
break the way we do it now it i i love

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01:42:29,350 --> 01:42:25,760
synchronicities

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01:42:32,229 --> 01:42:29,360
and uh i always respond to them

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01:42:32,870 --> 01:42:32,239
when we just and you know the drill uh

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01:42:36,470 --> 01:42:32,880
booking

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01:42:37,430 --> 01:42:36,480
a show uh you know not only night after

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01:42:40,629 --> 01:42:37,440
night but that

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01:42:42,149 --> 01:42:40,639
adds up to months and then years it's a

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01:42:44,470 --> 01:42:42,159
difficult thing to do

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01:42:46,550 --> 01:42:44,480
um and so we're lining up we're lining

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01:42:48,790 --> 01:42:46,560
up this week and i'm reaching out to

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01:42:51,430 --> 01:42:48,800
everybody and we're doing our thing

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01:42:52,550 --> 01:42:51,440
and and i want the best i want the best

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01:42:55,590 --> 01:42:52,560
for the audience

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01:42:58,790 --> 01:42:55,600
and and i'm going down you know and okay

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01:43:00,950 --> 01:42:58,800
so you know i reach out to scott walter

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01:43:03,030 --> 01:43:00,960
and uh you know you know we're doing

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01:43:04,870 --> 01:43:03,040
things and and then i reach out to you

2445
01:43:06,709 --> 01:43:04,880
and and giorgio and things i line

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01:43:09,430 --> 01:43:06,719
everything up and then it turns out

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01:43:11,350 --> 01:43:09,440
you know uh not only are you and scott

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01:43:13,990 --> 01:43:11,360
uh you know from minnesota

2449
01:43:15,270 --> 01:43:14,000
but you guys go back years and that's

2450
01:43:18,629 --> 01:43:15,280
that aspect of it

2451
01:43:22,470 --> 01:43:18,639
it's a weird synchronicity but scott

2452
01:43:24,229 --> 01:43:22,480
is uh you and you asked scott uh to do

2453
01:43:27,430 --> 01:43:24,239
an episode with you

2454
01:43:29,669 --> 01:43:27,440
and you guys just shot that that's just

2455
01:43:31,750 --> 01:43:29,679
a weird synchronicity back to back

2456
01:43:32,870 --> 01:43:31,760
and i look and i look at that i go man

2457
01:43:36,390 --> 01:43:32,880
that's kind of strange

2458
01:43:40,070 --> 01:43:36,400
but it's not that's the universe right

2459
01:43:44,070 --> 01:43:43,030
we go to shoot this episode at america's

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01:43:46,470 --> 01:43:44,080
stonehenge

2461
01:43:47,669 --> 01:43:46,480
and leading up to it you know they kind

2462
01:43:49,350 --> 01:43:47,679
of tell me oh this is

2463
01:43:51,270 --> 01:43:49,360
one of the cases we're examining i'm

2464
01:43:53,189 --> 01:43:51,280
like oh that's awesome hans holzer went

2465
01:43:55,270 --> 01:43:53,199
there multiple times

2466
01:43:57,270 --> 01:43:55,280
it fascinated him beyond just the

2467
01:43:59,590 --> 01:43:57,280
supernatural element it was the historic

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01:44:02,950 --> 01:43:59,600
relevance of what this location is

2469
01:44:04,950 --> 01:44:02,960
cracking mystery hill and uh

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01:44:06,070 --> 01:44:04,960
i reached out to scott you know like you

2471
01:44:08,070 --> 01:44:06,080
said we're both minnesota

2472
01:44:10,070 --> 01:44:08,080
boys and you know he worked on the

2473
01:44:11,750 --> 01:44:10,080
runestone here in minnesota and we've

2474
01:44:14,629 --> 01:44:11,760
become friends i've had him on the show

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01:44:15,750 --> 01:44:14,639
a dozen times through the years and i i

2476
01:44:17,669 --> 01:44:15,760
asked him i said hey man are you

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01:44:18,550 --> 01:44:17,679
familiar with america stonehenge he goes

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01:44:20,709 --> 01:44:18,560
i most certainly

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01:44:21,830 --> 01:44:20,719
am and i said would you be interested in

2480
01:44:23,510 --> 01:44:21,840
joining me

2481
01:44:25,350 --> 01:44:23,520
for a paranormal look at this and maybe

2482
01:44:26,629 --> 01:44:25,360
kind of weighing in with some of the

2483
01:44:28,310 --> 01:44:26,639
history and he

2484
01:44:30,390 --> 01:44:28,320
was more than happy to do so so i

2485
01:44:33,830 --> 01:44:30,400
recommended them to our producers

2486
01:44:35,270 --> 01:44:33,840
thankfully they saw the merit and having

2487
01:44:36,870 --> 01:44:35,280
you know one of the foremost forensic

2488
01:44:39,109 --> 01:44:36,880
geologists in the world

2489
01:44:40,709 --> 01:44:39,119
join us for that and uh it was great we

2490
01:44:43,109 --> 01:44:40,719
filmed our scene together and it went a

2491
01:44:45,510 --> 01:44:43,119
lot longer than it normally would

2492
01:44:46,550 --> 01:44:45,520
um for this interview and afterwards

2493
01:44:48,550 --> 01:44:46,560
producers and

2494
01:44:50,149 --> 01:44:48,560
and cameraman and everybody came up and

2495
01:44:51,590 --> 01:44:50,159
they said that was fascinating which you

2496
01:44:52,870 --> 01:44:51,600
guys just did you should have your own

2497
01:44:55,910 --> 01:44:52,880
show together you guys

2498
01:44:57,430 --> 01:44:55,920
really mesh well and and this was this

2499
01:44:59,109 --> 01:44:57,440
was just cool to watch happen

2500
01:45:00,470 --> 01:44:59,119
so unfortunately paired down to a

2501
01:45:03,750 --> 01:45:00,480
two-minute segment on the

2502
01:45:05,270 --> 01:45:03,760
episode but you know we just we get that

2503
01:45:06,790 --> 01:45:05,280
we have that good simpatico

2504
01:45:08,790 --> 01:45:06,800
and we we have a good give and take with

2505
01:45:10,629 --> 01:45:08,800
one another now what is it

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01:45:12,629 --> 01:45:10,639
about i want to talk about america's

2507
01:45:14,310 --> 01:45:12,639
stonehenge for a second because you just

2508
01:45:16,709 --> 01:45:14,320
hit the nail on the head

2509
01:45:19,350 --> 01:45:16,719
uh holzer was fascinated with the site

2510
01:45:21,990 --> 01:45:19,360
there's a paranormal aspect to the site

2511
01:45:22,470 --> 01:45:22,000
there's a historical part to the site

2512
01:45:25,750 --> 01:45:22,480
it's

2513
01:45:27,590 --> 01:45:25,760
also uh could potentially predate

2514
01:45:29,030 --> 01:45:27,600
everything that we know about north

2515
01:45:32,310 --> 01:45:29,040
america

2516
01:45:35,669 --> 01:45:32,320
going back not not 500 years

2517
01:45:38,310 --> 01:45:35,679
thousands of years it's uh it's very

2518
01:45:40,550 --> 01:45:38,320
it's very special isn't it well it

2519
01:45:42,790 --> 01:45:40,560
really is and you know sadly

2520
01:45:44,310 --> 01:45:42,800
uh i've been out that way a few times

2521
01:45:44,709 --> 01:45:44,320
and i'd never had a chance to visit it

2522
01:45:46,470 --> 01:45:44,719
that's

2523
01:45:48,149 --> 01:45:46,480
the other aspect of doing the tv show

2524
01:45:49,990 --> 01:45:48,159
that i love jimmy because it gives me an

2525
01:45:52,629 --> 01:45:50,000
opportunity to go

2526
01:45:54,470 --> 01:45:52,639
to historic sites to become part of the

2527
01:45:55,189 --> 01:45:54,480
history and the story and the legend and

2528
01:45:57,590 --> 01:45:55,199
lore

2529
01:45:59,990 --> 01:45:57,600
of these locations and get to go to a

2530
01:46:02,629 --> 01:46:00,000
place i know hans has been

2531
01:46:05,189 --> 01:46:02,639
a dozen or so times and scott's been

2532
01:46:06,950 --> 01:46:05,199
there a dozen or so times and

2533
01:46:09,030 --> 01:46:06,960
there's this element of strange

2534
01:46:09,830 --> 01:46:09,040
supernatural happenings kind of a dark

2535
01:46:11,510 --> 01:46:09,840
element there

2536
01:46:13,270 --> 01:46:11,520
uh that the owners have talked to us

2537
01:46:15,669 --> 01:46:13,280
about and and that we

2538
01:46:16,950 --> 01:46:15,679
you know try to to detail and capture

2539
01:46:18,870 --> 01:46:16,960
evidence of and

2540
01:46:20,229 --> 01:46:18,880
and then you've got uh scott and looking

2541
01:46:22,229 --> 01:46:20,239
at the forensic

2542
01:46:23,990 --> 01:46:22,239
implications of what that location is

2543
01:46:25,990 --> 01:46:24,000
and what it means and he liked

2544
01:46:27,510 --> 01:46:26,000
you know i wasn't sure talking to him

2545
01:46:30,550 --> 01:46:27,520
paranormal-wise was he going to go

2546
01:46:31,990 --> 01:46:30,560
down that rabbit hole with me and man

2547
01:46:33,430 --> 01:46:32,000
not only did he go down the rabbit hole

2548
01:46:34,470 --> 01:46:33,440
with me he held my hand through it a

2549
01:46:36,149 --> 01:46:34,480
couple times because

2550
01:46:38,229 --> 01:46:36,159
he really liked where we were going with

2551
01:46:38,709 --> 01:46:38,239
the concepts of what the possibilities

2552
01:46:41,270 --> 01:46:38,719
are what

2553
01:46:42,470 --> 01:46:41,280
this place could be mean and you know he

2554
01:46:45,030 --> 01:46:42,480
said hey man we've got

2555
01:46:47,030 --> 01:46:45,040
a sacrificial table we've got things

2556
01:46:48,070 --> 01:46:47,040
here that make sense that if paranormal

2557
01:46:49,990 --> 01:46:48,080
was going to happen

2558
01:46:51,350 --> 01:46:50,000
this would be the place for it to occur

2559
01:46:54,470 --> 01:46:51,360
now uh

2560
01:46:57,750 --> 01:46:54,480
help me help me understand how uh

2561
01:47:01,430 --> 01:46:57,760
how haunted that place is only because

2562
01:47:03,189 --> 01:47:01,440
well because there's been a lot of death

2563
01:47:04,790 --> 01:47:03,199
right we we know that right right

2564
01:47:08,070 --> 01:47:04,800
there's that part

2565
01:47:09,109 --> 01:47:08,080
it's it's so old that anything could

2566
01:47:11,270 --> 01:47:09,119
have gone on

2567
01:47:12,229 --> 01:47:11,280
there for thousands of years right

2568
01:47:16,470 --> 01:47:12,239
there's got to be

2569
01:47:19,510 --> 01:47:16,480
spirits just just hanging out

2570
01:47:21,750 --> 01:47:19,520
well and and what was it truly used for

2571
01:47:23,270 --> 01:47:21,760
was there you know there's a sacrificial

2572
01:47:26,310 --> 01:47:23,280
table there with the bleed lines

2573
01:47:27,430 --> 01:47:26,320
yes was it animals was it humans was it

2574
01:47:29,590 --> 01:47:27,440
a mixture of both

2575
01:47:31,510 --> 01:47:29,600
um you know a lot of people we have to

2576
01:47:33,590 --> 01:47:31,520
remember in the early times

2577
01:47:35,270 --> 01:47:33,600
considered it an honor to be the one

2578
01:47:39,590 --> 01:47:35,280
selected to be

2579
01:47:43,030 --> 01:47:39,600
um sacrificed you know sacrificed to

2580
01:47:44,709 --> 01:47:43,040
to these gods into history so it's an

2581
01:47:46,550 --> 01:47:44,719
interesting element because it's not the

2582
01:47:47,990 --> 01:47:46,560
same fear it's not like a horror movie

2583
01:47:48,870 --> 01:47:48,000
where jimmy and dave are walking in the

2584
01:47:50,470 --> 01:47:48,880
woods and

2585
01:47:52,229 --> 01:47:50,480
suddenly we're surrounded and you know

2586
01:47:53,270 --> 01:47:52,239
they pulled pillowcases off our heads

2587
01:47:55,590 --> 01:47:53,280
and were strapped to a

2588
01:47:56,790 --> 01:47:55,600
sacrificial table the this was an honor

2589
01:47:58,229 --> 01:47:56,800
bestowed upon them

2590
01:47:59,990 --> 01:47:58,239
but there's you know there's other

2591
01:48:02,870 --> 01:48:00,000
aspects what did they use this thing for

2592
01:48:03,990 --> 01:48:02,880
and because of the uh concentric kind of

2593
01:48:07,350 --> 01:48:04,000
circles the way it

2594
01:48:08,390 --> 01:48:07,360
goes out from the center you know i

2595
01:48:09,910 --> 01:48:08,400
don't want to give too much away but we

2596
01:48:11,430 --> 01:48:09,920
believe there were multiple cultures

2597
01:48:12,790 --> 01:48:11,440
that used this site for multiple

2598
01:48:15,910 --> 01:48:12,800
purposes and reasons

2599
01:48:17,189 --> 01:48:15,920
and what all did they invoke what did

2600
01:48:19,750 --> 01:48:17,199
they call forward

2601
01:48:21,750 --> 01:48:19,760
and what still walks the grounds we had

2602
01:48:23,750 --> 01:48:21,760
a native american there with us

2603
01:48:25,910 --> 01:48:23,760
who uh was terrified to go back up

2604
01:48:27,990 --> 01:48:25,920
because of experiences he'd had

2605
01:48:29,590 --> 01:48:28,000
um you know for the most part it's a

2606
01:48:32,229 --> 01:48:29,600
very pleasant interesting place that

2607
01:48:34,070 --> 01:48:32,239
kids go to for field trips but at night

2608
01:48:35,109 --> 01:48:34,080
it just takes on this otherworldly

2609
01:48:37,750 --> 01:48:35,119
ambiance and

2610
01:48:38,870 --> 01:48:37,760
it really gets chilling and i can't i

2611
01:48:40,950 --> 01:48:38,880
can't say who

2612
01:48:41,990 --> 01:48:40,960
but we do have a very special guest

2613
01:48:43,990 --> 01:48:42,000
investigator

2614
01:48:46,070 --> 01:48:44,000
join us that night on the episode not

2615
01:48:46,709 --> 01:48:46,080
scott scott's kind of a historian who's

2616
01:48:48,870 --> 01:48:46,719
there to

2617
01:48:49,910 --> 01:48:48,880
clue me in on on some of the pieces of

2618
01:48:53,109 --> 01:48:49,920
the uh puzzle

2619
01:48:55,510 --> 01:48:53,119
but we have a very cool uh guest

2620
01:48:57,590 --> 01:48:55,520
investigator uh joining us for the first

2621
01:48:59,350 --> 01:48:57,600
time on that episode so there's a lot of

2622
01:49:00,950 --> 01:48:59,360
excellent firsts about that one and that

2623
01:49:04,709 --> 01:49:00,960
comes out that comes out

2624
01:49:05,669 --> 01:49:04,719
on uh february 27th it'll be released on

2625
01:49:07,430 --> 01:49:05,679
discovery plus

2626
01:49:09,189 --> 01:49:07,440
now that's why you're such a great host

2627
01:49:12,709 --> 01:49:09,199
because you knew that was my next

2628
01:49:15,910 --> 01:49:12,719
question this is

2629
01:49:19,270 --> 01:49:15,920
there's something else here um

2630
01:49:22,390 --> 01:49:19,280
when you see something like chichen itza

2631
01:49:25,669 --> 01:49:22,400
and you look at the steps uh that lead

2632
01:49:27,669 --> 01:49:25,679
up and you know about the the sacrifices

2633
01:49:27,910 --> 01:49:27,679
that the mayans did and the bodies tell

2634
01:49:30,790 --> 01:49:27,920
me

2635
01:49:32,790 --> 01:49:30,800
that what must have been you know

2636
01:49:35,990 --> 01:49:32,800
thousands of gallons of blood

2637
01:49:36,870 --> 01:49:36,000
dripping down uh i'm just speaking about

2638
01:49:40,550 --> 01:49:36,880
uh you know

2639
01:49:43,030 --> 01:49:40,560
history here and you can't

2640
01:49:45,030 --> 01:49:43,040
avoid that thought and when you go to

2641
01:49:46,149 --> 01:49:45,040
the sacrificial table at america's

2642
01:49:49,510 --> 01:49:46,159
stonehenge

2643
01:49:52,790 --> 01:49:49,520
where your feet are right

2644
01:49:55,910 --> 01:49:52,800
that that is that is uh histories

2645
01:49:56,470 --> 01:49:55,920
of of of blood that is in the ground

2646
01:49:59,669 --> 01:49:56,480
there

2647
01:50:02,550 --> 01:49:59,679
right at dna humans people

2648
01:50:05,189 --> 01:50:02,560
and and animals too as well does that go

2649
01:50:06,950 --> 01:50:05,199
through your mind when you walk around

2650
01:50:08,310 --> 01:50:06,960
it does and you know what really is kind

2651
01:50:10,950 --> 01:50:08,320
of a key element to this

2652
01:50:12,390 --> 01:50:10,960
for me jimmy and this was triggered

2653
01:50:14,149 --> 01:50:12,400
actually from a true crime

2654
01:50:16,310 --> 01:50:14,159
episode that i did of darkness radio

2655
01:50:18,229 --> 01:50:16,320
years ago where we talked about the

2656
01:50:21,910 --> 01:50:18,239
black dahlia murder

2657
01:50:23,510 --> 01:50:21,920
and i spoke to um a gentleman who

2658
01:50:25,589 --> 01:50:23,520
believes his father

2659
01:50:28,070 --> 01:50:25,599
was the black dahlia killer and and

2660
01:50:29,430 --> 01:50:28,080
might have been zodiac as well

2661
01:50:31,589 --> 01:50:29,440
and we talked to him on the show

2662
01:50:34,070 --> 01:50:31,599
fascinating guy and he talks to me about

2663
01:50:35,189 --> 01:50:34,080
um sergeant paul doste this

2664
01:50:37,189 --> 01:50:35,199
world-renowned

2665
01:50:38,550 --> 01:50:37,199
cadaver dog specialist and he had a dog

2666
01:50:40,950 --> 01:50:38,560
named buster

2667
01:50:42,390 --> 01:50:40,960
and as we were chatting he told me just

2668
01:50:44,550 --> 01:50:42,400
how

2669
01:50:46,229 --> 01:50:44,560
good his dog was this dog could you know

2670
01:50:47,430 --> 01:50:46,239
they had flown over before buster passed

2671
01:50:50,229 --> 01:50:47,440
away a few years ago

2672
01:50:51,109 --> 01:50:50,239
he was flown over with buster to europe

2673
01:50:53,510 --> 01:50:51,119
to help try to find

2674
01:50:54,709 --> 01:50:53,520
missing servicemen and paratroopers and

2675
01:50:58,149 --> 01:50:54,719
they uncovered them

2676
01:51:00,790 --> 01:50:58,159
50 60 70 years later so

2677
01:51:01,750 --> 01:51:00,800
the dog senses are registering something

2678
01:51:05,030 --> 01:51:01,760
they can find

2679
01:51:06,310 --> 01:51:05,040
outdoor burial grounds that are hundreds

2680
01:51:08,470 --> 01:51:06,320
of years old

2681
01:51:10,390 --> 01:51:08,480
how what does that tell us about the

2682
01:51:12,790 --> 01:51:10,400
blood about the makeup of who we

2683
01:51:14,629 --> 01:51:12,800
are as humans there is a traceable

2684
01:51:17,510 --> 01:51:14,639
element of energy

2685
01:51:18,870 --> 01:51:17,520
that a dog can not just ascent jim this

2686
01:51:20,950 --> 01:51:18,880
has got to go beyond

2687
01:51:23,189 --> 01:51:20,960
ascent because we're talking about

2688
01:51:27,030 --> 01:51:23,199
locations that are exposed to rain

2689
01:51:27,430 --> 01:51:27,040
wind sleet snow 200 years later the dog

2690
01:51:30,470 --> 01:51:27,440
can

2691
01:51:33,350 --> 01:51:30,480
find that element of energy that means

2692
01:51:34,070 --> 01:51:33,360
a ghost a spirit what is it where does

2693
01:51:35,990 --> 01:51:34,080
it reside

2694
01:51:37,830 --> 01:51:36,000
it might be in multiple places which is

2695
01:51:39,990 --> 01:51:37,840
why you'll see a haunting

2696
01:51:41,109 --> 01:51:40,000
take place in in three or four locations

2697
01:51:43,030 --> 01:51:41,119
around the country

2698
01:51:45,430 --> 01:51:43,040
grandma's ghost as a child is in this

2699
01:51:46,870 --> 01:51:45,440
home but she died at the age of 89

2700
01:51:48,390 --> 01:51:46,880
across the country in a totally

2701
01:51:48,870 --> 01:51:48,400
different home and her ghost is seen

2702
01:51:50,870 --> 01:51:48,880
there

2703
01:51:52,470 --> 01:51:50,880
was a child she split her knees she

2704
01:51:55,910 --> 01:51:52,480
cried she had nightmares

2705
01:51:59,109 --> 01:51:55,920
she imprinted on that area with

2706
01:52:01,270 --> 01:51:59,119
part of who she was and in her death in

2707
01:52:02,629 --> 01:52:01,280
where she lived throughout her life that

2708
01:52:05,350 --> 01:52:02,639
was another element of it so there's

2709
01:52:07,990 --> 01:52:05,360
this energy that's left behind

2710
01:52:08,629 --> 01:52:08,000
and when you find a place like mystery

2711
01:52:10,950 --> 01:52:08,639
hill

2712
01:52:12,149 --> 01:52:10,960
in salem new hampshire this america's

2713
01:52:15,109 --> 01:52:12,159
stonehenge

2714
01:52:16,149 --> 01:52:15,119
and there's so much what today we would

2715
01:52:19,030 --> 01:52:16,159
consider tragedy

2716
01:52:19,990 --> 01:52:19,040
but at that point was ways to keep and

2717
01:52:22,070 --> 01:52:20,000
appease

2718
01:52:23,270 --> 01:52:22,080
the gods so that their fields would come

2719
01:52:24,629 --> 01:52:23,280
in their crops would come in their

2720
01:52:26,070 --> 01:52:24,639
animals would be plentiful

2721
01:52:27,910 --> 01:52:26,080
whatever it was that they were

2722
01:52:31,270 --> 01:52:27,920
sacrificing for um

2723
01:52:33,109 --> 01:52:31,280
the alignment of the stars and such that

2724
01:52:35,669 --> 01:52:33,119
ground as you said is soaked in blood so

2725
01:52:37,030 --> 01:52:35,679
there's so much energy so many stories

2726
01:52:39,750 --> 01:52:37,040
to be told there so many

2727
01:52:40,390 --> 01:52:39,760
souls that are fragmented and left

2728
01:52:42,470 --> 01:52:40,400
behind

2729
01:52:44,390 --> 01:52:42,480
to be examined and remembered can you

2730
01:52:46,390 --> 01:52:44,400
feel it through your feet

2731
01:52:48,310 --> 01:52:46,400
and i'm not being i'm not being i'm not

2732
01:52:50,310 --> 01:52:48,320
i'm not trying to be funny here

2733
01:52:51,669 --> 01:52:50,320
no i it you know people will be like

2734
01:52:53,669 --> 01:52:51,679
okay well first of all i didn't take my

2735
01:52:56,470 --> 01:52:53,679
shoes off so i couldn't say that i could

2736
01:52:57,990 --> 01:52:56,480
i could feel that but i say that because

2737
01:52:59,350 --> 01:52:58,000
you know i do think there's an element

2738
01:53:01,430 --> 01:52:59,360
to that if you know maybe if i was

2739
01:53:03,350 --> 01:53:01,440
barefooting uh

2740
01:53:05,750 --> 01:53:03,360
i i would have picked up on some of that

2741
01:53:08,790 --> 01:53:05,760
uh to give you and your listeners um

2742
01:53:12,470 --> 01:53:08,800
kind of a perspective uh in

2743
01:53:15,750 --> 01:53:12,480
was it 1998 i visited pearl harbor

2744
01:53:17,109 --> 01:53:15,760
and i went out and stood over the uss

2745
01:53:20,149 --> 01:53:17,119
arizona

2746
01:53:21,510 --> 01:53:20,159
and it it had no tie to me

2747
01:53:23,109 --> 01:53:21,520
i mean my grandfather fought in world

2748
01:53:24,709 --> 01:53:23,119
war ii but he survived he wasn't

2749
01:53:26,870 --> 01:53:24,719
stationed on this ship

2750
01:53:28,550 --> 01:53:26,880
but i went and i stood over the ship and

2751
01:53:28,950 --> 01:53:28,560
it was very quiet that day there was

2752
01:53:31,830 --> 01:53:28,960
maybe

2753
01:53:33,270 --> 01:53:31,840
seven or eight men standing out there

2754
01:53:37,189 --> 01:53:33,280
and

2755
01:53:39,189 --> 01:53:37,199
sense of tragedy

2756
01:53:40,310 --> 01:53:39,199
came over me and i just started sobbing

2757
01:53:42,390 --> 01:53:40,320
out loud

2758
01:53:43,350 --> 01:53:42,400
and when i i you know embarrassingly

2759
01:53:45,189 --> 01:53:43,360
you're trying to block yourself and i

2760
01:53:47,189 --> 01:53:45,199
look and every other guy

2761
01:53:49,270 --> 01:53:47,199
shoulders are just throbbing up and down

2762
01:53:52,070 --> 01:53:49,280
as they're sobbing

2763
01:53:54,790 --> 01:53:52,080
there is a palpable energy and sense of

2764
01:53:57,189 --> 01:53:54,800
sadness and tragedy that

2765
01:53:58,550 --> 01:53:57,199
goes beyond just oh man i have some

2766
01:54:01,189 --> 01:53:58,560
empathy these poor guys died

2767
01:54:01,910 --> 01:54:01,199
you feel that tragedy you feel the

2768
01:54:05,669 --> 01:54:01,920
emotion

2769
01:54:09,109 --> 01:54:05,679
of that moment and i'm not uh a medium

2770
01:54:12,550 --> 01:54:09,119
and i wasn't barefooting on the arizona

2771
01:54:15,589 --> 01:54:12,560
deal but that psychic

2772
01:54:16,790 --> 01:54:15,599
scar is so deep and wide for what

2773
01:54:20,229 --> 01:54:16,800
happened there

2774
01:54:23,189 --> 01:54:20,239
that it just overwhelmed all of us

2775
01:54:24,070 --> 01:54:23,199
the the the energy at america's

2776
01:54:26,229 --> 01:54:24,080
stonehenge

2777
01:54:27,589 --> 01:54:26,239
and i know that this episode is coming

2778
01:54:29,350 --> 01:54:27,599
up in a couple of weeks and i want

2779
01:54:32,629 --> 01:54:29,360
everybody to check it out

2780
01:54:35,669 --> 01:54:32,639
but the the um

2781
01:54:38,709 --> 01:54:35,679
the rocks they absorb

2782
01:54:42,790 --> 01:54:38,719
they they do they they hold the energy i

2783
01:54:44,950 --> 01:54:42,800
um uh i'll just i'm just gonna say this

2784
01:54:49,030 --> 01:54:44,960
really quick i went to uh an ancient

2785
01:54:50,229 --> 01:54:49,040
spanish fort probably 500 years old or

2786
01:54:52,310 --> 01:54:50,239
so

2787
01:54:54,070 --> 01:54:52,320
maybe older it's called fort san lorenzo

2788
01:54:56,950 --> 01:54:54,080
down in central america

2789
01:54:57,910 --> 01:54:56,960
and and so i'm there and and i'm

2790
01:54:59,830 --> 01:54:57,920
standing

2791
01:55:01,109 --> 01:54:59,840
it in in this part that's overlooking

2792
01:55:04,149 --> 01:55:01,119
this bay and

2793
01:55:05,270 --> 01:55:04,159
with the cannons and the things it's all

2794
01:55:08,390 --> 01:55:05,280
very old

2795
01:55:11,270 --> 01:55:08,400
but you start to there's something uh

2796
01:55:11,990 --> 01:55:11,280
residual that's hanging out there you

2797
01:55:15,189 --> 01:55:12,000
know you can

2798
01:55:16,149 --> 01:55:15,199
almost see the soldier standing there

2799
01:55:19,830 --> 01:55:16,159
you could almost

2800
01:55:22,629 --> 01:55:19,840
see and feel what is going on

2801
01:55:23,270 --> 01:55:22,639
and i think that the rocks and the

2802
01:55:26,229 --> 01:55:23,280
things they

2803
01:55:26,629 --> 01:55:26,239
they hold that energy they they absorb

2804
01:55:33,910 --> 01:55:26,639
it

2805
01:55:37,350 --> 01:55:33,920
these

2806
01:55:40,709 --> 01:55:37,360
like a

2807
01:55:42,229 --> 01:55:40,719
vhs tape or an audio cassette recorded

2808
01:55:43,910 --> 01:55:42,239
these elements of history that can be

2809
01:55:45,270 --> 01:55:43,920
played back

2810
01:55:47,270 --> 01:55:45,280
you know there was a great episode if

2811
01:55:48,950 --> 01:55:47,280
you were an x-files fan like i was jimmy

2812
01:55:51,750 --> 01:55:48,960
there's a great episode where

2813
01:55:52,950 --> 01:55:51,760
they were making a bowl during the time

2814
01:55:55,830 --> 01:55:52,960
of christ and

2815
01:55:56,310 --> 01:55:55,840
as as the guy was shaping the bowl with

2816
01:55:59,350 --> 01:55:56,320
without

2817
01:56:01,270 --> 01:55:59,360
realizing it he was creating a record of

2818
01:56:03,270 --> 01:56:01,280
what was being recorded

2819
01:56:05,189 --> 01:56:03,280
in that room at the time of their

2820
01:56:06,550 --> 01:56:05,199
discussing the killing of christ and

2821
01:56:08,790 --> 01:56:06,560
it could be played back it was something

2822
01:56:09,990 --> 01:56:08,800
along those lines and i think there's

2823
01:56:14,470 --> 01:56:10,000
something to that this

2824
01:56:17,669 --> 01:56:14,480
this element of everything around us

2825
01:56:19,589 --> 01:56:17,679
is an observer to our story

2826
01:56:21,030 --> 01:56:19,599
right you could check the elements of of

2827
01:56:23,430 --> 01:56:21,040
the ground to see

2828
01:56:24,550 --> 01:56:23,440
when these impacts hit uh how it

2829
01:56:26,709 --> 01:56:24,560
affected

2830
01:56:28,070 --> 01:56:26,719
flora and fauna you could look at the

2831
01:56:31,830 --> 01:56:28,080
trees in the area

2832
01:56:33,589 --> 01:56:31,840
where um travis walton was abducted

2833
01:56:35,669 --> 01:56:33,599
in fire in the sky and you notice

2834
01:56:37,270 --> 01:56:35,679
there's mutations in the trees that date

2835
01:56:40,629 --> 01:56:37,280
to that time

2836
01:56:41,189 --> 01:56:40,639
some kind of mutation occurred was it

2837
01:56:47,990 --> 01:56:41,199
the

2838
01:56:50,870 --> 01:56:48,000
markers of time

2839
01:56:51,750 --> 01:56:50,880
and they're watching and you know native

2840
01:56:54,470 --> 01:56:51,760
americans and

2841
01:56:56,390 --> 01:56:54,480
and so many other um ancient

2842
01:56:57,910 --> 01:56:56,400
civilizations believe that each one of

2843
01:56:59,270 --> 01:56:57,920
these things have spirits

2844
01:57:01,270 --> 01:56:59,280
and i believe that there's something to

2845
01:57:02,790 --> 01:57:01,280
that because they have stories to tell

2846
01:57:03,589 --> 01:57:02,800
and sometimes we're lucky enough to trip

2847
01:57:07,030 --> 01:57:03,599
through them

2848
01:57:09,109 --> 01:57:07,040
and what okay uh and we're gonna talk

2849
01:57:12,470 --> 01:57:09,119
more about this after the break

2850
01:57:16,229 --> 01:57:12,480
when we talk about spirits

2851
01:57:18,550 --> 01:57:16,239
or ghosts what ultimately do you

2852
01:57:19,350 --> 01:57:18,560
think we are dealing with is it is

2853
01:57:23,109 --> 01:57:19,360
electricity

2854
01:57:25,430 --> 01:57:23,119
is it electromagnetic energy is is that

2855
01:57:29,189 --> 01:57:25,440
what this is or is it something else

2856
01:57:31,589 --> 01:57:29,199
that we just don't understand at all

2857
01:57:34,149 --> 01:57:31,599
i think there's different elements to

2858
01:57:35,910 --> 01:57:34,159
what a ghost is like i said

2859
01:57:38,310 --> 01:57:35,920
we have yet to discern where

2860
01:57:40,950 --> 01:57:38,320
consciousness exists

2861
01:57:42,709 --> 01:57:40,960
is it in our mind is it in our heart is

2862
01:57:46,070 --> 01:57:42,719
it in our blood or is it in

2863
01:57:48,149 --> 01:57:46,080
all of who we are is it in the memories

2864
01:57:49,990 --> 01:57:48,159
and the things we leave behind

2865
01:57:52,629 --> 01:57:50,000
i don't think there's one specific

2866
01:57:53,669 --> 01:57:52,639
answer i'm believing more in time slip

2867
01:57:56,950 --> 01:57:53,679
phenomena

2868
01:57:58,709 --> 01:57:56,960
where a lot of what we're experiencing

2869
01:58:01,030 --> 01:57:58,719
you start to go back like the whaley

2870
01:58:02,390 --> 01:58:01,040
house you know we we went to investigate

2871
01:58:04,470 --> 01:58:02,400
the whaley house

2872
01:58:06,390 --> 01:58:04,480
in san diego and i thought what more of

2873
01:58:08,470 --> 01:58:06,400
the story is there to uncover

2874
01:58:09,430 --> 01:58:08,480
we were the first ever to get the

2875
01:58:11,669 --> 01:58:09,440
opportunity to

2876
01:58:13,669 --> 01:58:11,679
read handwritten letters that the whaley

2877
01:58:15,030 --> 01:58:13,679
sent back and forth to each other

2878
01:58:16,629 --> 01:58:15,040
and the part of the story that was

2879
01:58:18,950 --> 01:58:16,639
intriguing to me is they talked about

2880
01:58:22,310 --> 01:58:18,960
the strange haunting in their house

2881
01:58:24,070 --> 01:58:22,320
at that time well since that time

2882
01:58:26,149 --> 01:58:24,080
since they they passed away this house

2883
01:58:28,470 --> 01:58:26,159
has been multiple things but it's been

2884
01:58:30,310 --> 01:58:28,480
this historical marker where

2885
01:58:32,070 --> 01:58:30,320
people have come investigating claims of

2886
01:58:33,910 --> 01:58:32,080
the paranormal what if the things that

2887
01:58:35,430 --> 01:58:33,920
went bump in the night that terrified

2888
01:58:37,270 --> 01:58:35,440
the whaleys was

2889
01:58:38,870 --> 01:58:37,280
an echo backwards we like to think that

2890
01:58:39,910 --> 01:58:38,880
ghosts and the things we encounter are

2891
01:58:41,589 --> 01:58:39,920
from our past

2892
01:58:43,030 --> 01:58:41,599
what if they were sitting in their home

2893
01:58:45,310 --> 01:58:43,040
and they could hear the echoes of dave

2894
01:58:48,070 --> 01:58:45,320
schrader's footfalls in the house

2895
01:58:50,709 --> 01:58:48,080
2019 investigating

2896
01:58:52,550 --> 01:58:50,719
calling out for help what if that's what

2897
01:58:53,510 --> 01:58:52,560
was taking place so i think there are

2898
01:58:55,990 --> 01:58:53,520
different elements

2899
01:58:56,950 --> 01:58:56,000
of time slip phenomena stone tape

2900
01:58:59,990 --> 01:58:56,960
recording

2901
01:59:01,669 --> 01:59:00,000
uh and and then fractured souls little

2902
01:59:02,709 --> 01:59:01,679
elements of who we are that we leave

2903
01:59:04,790 --> 01:59:02,719
behind

2904
01:59:06,390 --> 01:59:04,800
and some of those fragments may just be

2905
01:59:08,709 --> 01:59:06,400
dark

2906
01:59:10,070 --> 01:59:08,719
slices of our consciousness which may be

2907
01:59:11,990 --> 01:59:10,080
why they're so rudimentary and

2908
01:59:13,990 --> 01:59:12,000
flickering lights or banging the wall or

2909
01:59:16,149 --> 01:59:14,000
only getting evp that say get out

2910
01:59:17,350 --> 01:59:16,159
it's that basal animal instinct that's

2911
01:59:20,390 --> 01:59:17,360
left behind

2912
01:59:23,350 --> 01:59:20,400
of a bigger consciousness so

2913
01:59:25,350 --> 01:59:23,360
in the in the whaley letters today i

2914
01:59:27,350 --> 01:59:25,360
heard dave schrader whispered in the

2915
01:59:29,990 --> 01:59:27,360
night

2916
01:59:30,390 --> 01:59:30,000
exactly yes yes but they talk about i

2917
01:59:32,390 --> 01:59:30,400
mean

2918
01:59:34,229 --> 01:59:32,400
mr whaley makes comments about the fact

2919
01:59:35,589 --> 01:59:34,239
that he would come home

2920
01:59:37,350 --> 01:59:35,599
do what he needed to do when he was in

2921
01:59:38,629 --> 01:59:37,360
the house alone before nightfall

2922
01:59:40,310 --> 01:59:38,639
so he could get to his room and lock the

2923
01:59:41,750 --> 01:59:40,320
door because he could hear things moving

2924
01:59:45,109 --> 01:59:41,760
around the house

2925
01:59:46,310 --> 01:59:45,119
creepy there are ghosts at waverly hills

2926
01:59:47,990 --> 01:59:46,320
sanitarium

2927
01:59:51,030 --> 01:59:48,000
where when it was a fully functioning

2928
01:59:53,109 --> 01:59:51,040
tuberculosis clinic at an old folks home

2929
01:59:55,189 --> 01:59:53,119
nurses and doctors would see spirits

2930
01:59:57,189 --> 01:59:55,199
constantly walking around

2931
01:59:58,709 --> 01:59:57,199
we're going in and seeing spirits of

2932
02:00:01,030 --> 01:59:58,719
nurses and doctors who look

2933
02:00:02,550 --> 02:00:01,040
shocked to see us jimmy and they turn

2934
02:00:04,790 --> 02:00:02,560
around and run out

2935
02:00:06,629 --> 02:00:04,800
why are they shocked if they're a ghost

2936
02:00:09,430 --> 02:00:06,639
because they aren't a ghost

2937
02:00:11,350 --> 02:00:09,440
they're in 1953 doing their rounds and

2938
02:00:13,669 --> 02:00:11,360
here comes dave schrader in his bucket

2939
02:00:15,669 --> 02:00:13,679
of blood sweatshirt from virginia city

2940
02:00:17,669 --> 02:00:15,679
and they think holy hell what is

2941
02:00:19,589 --> 02:00:17,679
happening and they run we were the

2942
02:00:22,470 --> 02:00:19,599
ghosts were the ghost stories

2943
02:00:22,950 --> 02:00:22,480
that they were telling here's the lesson

2944
02:00:25,830 --> 02:00:22,960
never

2945
02:00:28,950 --> 02:00:25,840
ghost hunt any any location that starts

2946
02:00:32,870 --> 02:00:32,070
that's my rule our guest tonight dave

2947
02:00:35,510 --> 02:00:32,880
schrader

2948
02:00:36,310 --> 02:00:35,520
the holzer files darkness radio darkness

2949
02:00:38,149 --> 02:00:36,320
dave

2950
02:00:39,669 --> 02:00:38,159
is with us i'm your host jimmy church

2951
02:00:39,990 --> 02:00:39,679
more with dave after this short break

2952
02:00:40,410 --> 02:00:40,000
stay

2953
02:00:51,109 --> 02:00:40,420
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02:04:40,709 --> 02:04:36,950
i am your host jimmy church tonight dave

3035
02:04:43,910 --> 02:04:42,709
it's so funny uh i'm gonna throw dave

3036
02:04:47,270 --> 02:04:43,920
under the bus

3037
02:04:52,069 --> 02:04:47,280
so uh during the break um uh i'm i'm

3038
02:04:55,910 --> 02:04:52,079
texting dave in in in skype

3039
02:04:58,629 --> 02:04:55,920
dude check check your text diddy i mean

3040
02:05:00,149 --> 02:04:58,639
uh that was funny that was funny

3041
02:05:02,550 --> 02:05:00,159
watching you do that

3042
02:05:03,430 --> 02:05:02,560
you know i'm so non-tech savvy when it

3043
02:05:05,669 --> 02:05:03,440
comes to

3044
02:05:07,589 --> 02:05:05,679
computer stuff so i use skype all the

3045
02:05:09,830 --> 02:05:07,599
time for darkness radio i use it when

3046
02:05:11,830 --> 02:05:09,840
i'm guests on on different shows

3047
02:05:13,189 --> 02:05:11,840
but like the where do i watch and how do

3048
02:05:15,510 --> 02:05:13,199
i go to chat and

3049
02:05:16,950 --> 02:05:15,520
see i just when i turn it on i focus on

3050
02:05:18,390 --> 02:05:16,960
the interview i forget all about the

3051
02:05:21,350 --> 02:05:18,400
rest of the world man

3052
02:05:22,950 --> 02:05:21,360
because i am he's i'm like a a child in

3053
02:05:24,229 --> 02:05:22,960
a candy shop if there's too many things

3054
02:05:26,229 --> 02:05:24,239
going on i'm going to be looking and

3055
02:05:26,629 --> 02:05:26,239
wanting to play so yeah that was awesome

3056
02:05:28,950 --> 02:05:26,639
man

3057
02:05:30,870 --> 02:05:28,960
that was awesome i just threw it under

3058
02:05:33,589 --> 02:05:30,880
the bus now

3059
02:05:34,229 --> 02:05:33,599
i want to jump into uh another subject

3060
02:05:37,750 --> 02:05:34,239
and

3061
02:05:39,030 --> 02:05:37,760
more here on fade to black but that's

3062
02:05:42,229 --> 02:05:39,040
bigfoot

3063
02:05:44,470 --> 02:05:42,239
and and over the years um

3064
02:05:46,310 --> 02:05:44,480
and i've always been on the fence you

3065
02:05:47,750 --> 02:05:46,320
know i want to be pushed in one

3066
02:05:50,229 --> 02:05:47,760
direction or the other

3067
02:05:51,350 --> 02:05:50,239
so i i kind of feel like i know what's

3068
02:05:54,870 --> 02:05:51,360
going on

3069
02:05:55,350 --> 02:05:54,880
uh the more that i get into the subject

3070
02:05:58,149 --> 02:05:55,360
of

3071
02:06:00,149 --> 02:05:58,159
bigfoot and and the researchers that

3072
02:06:03,189 --> 02:06:00,159
that are out there the more fascinated

3073
02:06:05,030 --> 02:06:03,199
i am with bigfoot but

3074
02:06:06,629 --> 02:06:05,040
dave i've got more questions than

3075
02:06:09,350 --> 02:06:06,639
answers uh today

3076
02:06:09,750 --> 02:06:09,360
than i've ever had uh with bigfoot i

3077
02:06:13,030 --> 02:06:09,760
don't

3078
02:06:16,790 --> 02:06:13,040
it's physical

3079
02:06:19,990 --> 02:06:16,800
i don't know if it's something um

3080
02:06:21,350 --> 02:06:20,000
uh i don't know primate as something

3081
02:06:24,709 --> 02:06:21,360
that's hiding from

3082
02:06:27,830 --> 02:06:24,719
humans or extraterrestrial

3083
02:06:29,750 --> 02:06:27,840
e.t i don't i

3084
02:06:32,390 --> 02:06:29,760
i don't know what's going on man you

3085
02:06:34,069 --> 02:06:32,400
need to help me out

3086
02:06:35,669 --> 02:06:34,079
i wish i had an answer if we have

3087
02:06:37,430 --> 02:06:35,679
answers what's the fun

3088
02:06:39,430 --> 02:06:37,440
the journey is in poking the bear i'm

3089
02:06:41,750 --> 02:06:39,440
looking for different theories

3090
02:06:42,470 --> 02:06:41,760
is there one answer could these things

3091
02:06:45,030 --> 02:06:42,480
have been

3092
02:06:47,430 --> 02:06:45,040
ancient civilizations you know the

3093
02:06:49,669 --> 02:06:47,440
native americans the indigenous peoples

3094
02:06:50,629 --> 02:06:49,679
uh there are different factions that

3095
02:06:53,430 --> 02:06:50,639
talk about them

3096
02:06:54,870 --> 02:06:53,440
as though they are their own clan of

3097
02:06:56,790 --> 02:06:54,880
native americans they just

3098
02:06:59,910 --> 02:06:56,800
elect to stay away from them because

3099
02:07:02,229 --> 02:06:59,920
they consider them dangerous or volatile

3100
02:07:03,109 --> 02:07:02,239
uh there are some that look at them as

3101
02:07:06,709 --> 02:07:03,119
friends and it could

3102
02:07:08,950 --> 02:07:06,719
be uh geographically charged

3103
02:07:09,910 --> 02:07:08,960
you know in some areas they're calmer

3104
02:07:12,950 --> 02:07:09,920
you know they're

3105
02:07:13,510 --> 02:07:12,960
they're the uh you know the pekingese

3106
02:07:15,910 --> 02:07:13,520
puppy

3107
02:07:17,189 --> 02:07:15,920
of of the uh cryptid world and then you

3108
02:07:20,149 --> 02:07:17,199
go to georgia

3109
02:07:21,430 --> 02:07:20,159
uh where the swamp ape is and and maybe

3110
02:07:23,910 --> 02:07:21,440
that's more of a

3111
02:07:26,470 --> 02:07:23,920
the doberman pinscher right um so

3112
02:07:28,790 --> 02:07:26,480
there's different

3113
02:07:30,149 --> 02:07:28,800
issues with these beings and could they

3114
02:07:32,550 --> 02:07:30,159
be all in the same

3115
02:07:34,069 --> 02:07:32,560
interdimensional beings that that live

3116
02:07:35,270 --> 02:07:34,079
here listen

3117
02:07:37,109 --> 02:07:35,280
the older i'm getting the more i'm

3118
02:07:39,750 --> 02:07:37,119
finding i think aliens are here

3119
02:07:41,510 --> 02:07:39,760
i think bigfoot is here i think a lot of

3120
02:07:43,750 --> 02:07:41,520
these things coexist

3121
02:07:44,709 --> 02:07:43,760
and sometimes they're there right in

3122
02:07:48,790 --> 02:07:44,719
front of our face

3123
02:07:52,790 --> 02:07:48,800
jimmy but we're so tied up in our own

3124
02:07:55,430 --> 02:07:52,800
moment of being on our phones being in a

3125
02:07:58,550 --> 02:07:55,440
relationship you know focusing on work

3126
02:08:00,390 --> 02:07:58,560
that we miss the subtleties the changes

3127
02:08:02,149 --> 02:08:00,400
that we might have noticed had we been

3128
02:08:04,950 --> 02:08:02,159
paying more attention

3129
02:08:06,149 --> 02:08:04,960
um and i think that's why children have

3130
02:08:07,510 --> 02:08:06,159
a lot of encounters with the

3131
02:08:10,550 --> 02:08:07,520
supernatural because

3132
02:08:12,629 --> 02:08:10,560
they're not as distracted by life

3133
02:08:14,229 --> 02:08:12,639
as we as adults are and that's why

3134
02:08:15,910 --> 02:08:14,239
that's why i think guys like you and i

3135
02:08:17,350 --> 02:08:15,920
love this field jimmy because it allows

3136
02:08:19,830 --> 02:08:17,360
us to be kids again

3137
02:08:21,589 --> 02:08:19,840
we get to take off our adult hat and we

3138
02:08:23,030 --> 02:08:21,599
get to be kids and we get to have wonder

3139
02:08:25,189 --> 02:08:23,040
and awe and we get to

3140
02:08:27,589 --> 02:08:25,199
re-examine these concepts that there may

3141
02:08:29,510 --> 02:08:27,599
be there might be monsters under our bed

3142
02:08:31,109 --> 02:08:29,520
there really might be monsters under our

3143
02:08:32,149 --> 02:08:31,119
bed and in the woods and in the lakes

3144
02:08:35,510 --> 02:08:32,159
around us

3145
02:08:36,310 --> 02:08:35,520
let's go examine that let's let's create

3146
02:08:39,350 --> 02:08:36,320
it

3147
02:08:41,589 --> 02:08:39,360
and tulpa's thought forms all of that

3148
02:08:45,750 --> 02:08:41,599
might exist because of this interest

3149
02:08:48,149 --> 02:08:45,760
now um where i start to

3150
02:08:49,109 --> 02:08:48,159
and i don't want to i just don't want to

3151
02:08:52,310 --> 02:08:49,119
go

3152
02:08:54,870 --> 02:08:52,320
too deep into the rabbit hole where i

3153
02:08:55,430 --> 02:08:54,880
can't and i'm talking about bigfoot

3154
02:08:58,310 --> 02:08:55,440
where

3155
02:08:59,910 --> 02:08:58,320
i can't get my mind back i need to stay

3156
02:09:04,550 --> 02:08:59,920
in a safe zone

3157
02:09:07,990 --> 02:09:04,560
um but i i happen to

3158
02:09:11,430 --> 02:09:08,000
be uh uh at a location where

3159
02:09:15,189 --> 02:09:11,440
these you brought up kids three

3160
02:09:18,310 --> 02:09:15,199
young men boys i think they were all

3161
02:09:19,109 --> 02:09:18,320
uh jacks is probably 11 or 12 at the

3162
02:09:21,030 --> 02:09:19,119
time

3163
02:09:22,390 --> 02:09:21,040
but the other two were under the age of

3164
02:09:25,430 --> 02:09:22,400
10. they're

3165
02:09:28,310 --> 02:09:25,440
out having fun right they're they're

3166
02:09:28,950 --> 02:09:28,320
out exploring comes one of them comes up

3167
02:09:32,149 --> 02:09:28,960
to me

3168
02:09:35,350 --> 02:09:32,159
and i'm alone um

3169
02:09:37,350 --> 02:09:35,360
and he says hey jimmy you want to see a

3170
02:09:42,790 --> 02:09:37,360
big footprint

3171
02:09:45,990 --> 02:09:45,669
dave on everything that is holy i said

3172
02:09:49,430 --> 02:09:46,000
how

3173
02:09:51,430 --> 02:09:49,440
far do i have to walk right

3174
02:09:53,270 --> 02:09:51,440
that's the old it's the old man in here

3175
02:09:55,189 --> 02:09:53,280
i swear i swear

3176
02:09:57,270 --> 02:09:55,199
and he goes it's right over there and he

3177
02:10:00,069 --> 02:09:57,280
points and i see the two other

3178
02:10:01,669 --> 02:10:00,079
two other kids uh standing over there uh

3179
02:10:05,350 --> 02:10:01,679
jackson phoenix

3180
02:10:05,990 --> 02:10:05,360
and uh and i'm like okay that's not that

3181
02:10:09,669 --> 02:10:06,000
far

3182
02:10:13,270 --> 02:10:09,679
okay so i walk over and sure enough man

3183
02:10:16,629 --> 02:10:13,280
it's a frigging it's this big

3184
02:10:19,350 --> 02:10:16,639
in the ground three inches deep uh

3185
02:10:21,270 --> 02:10:19,360
and i'm standing okay we ended up

3186
02:10:23,510 --> 02:10:21,280
finding four

3187
02:10:24,629 --> 02:10:23,520
and and the pictures are out there uh

3188
02:10:28,550 --> 02:10:24,639
i'll send them to you

3189
02:10:31,750 --> 02:10:28,560
but anyway in video um

3190
02:10:32,229 --> 02:10:31,760
i immediately thought what made the

3191
02:10:34,790 --> 02:10:32,239
print

3192
02:10:35,830 --> 02:10:34,800
this is physical this is giant this is

3193
02:10:42,950 --> 02:10:35,840
big

3194
02:10:45,189 --> 02:10:42,960
where are they why haven't we found all

3195
02:10:48,229 --> 02:10:45,199
the footprints we've seen you know that

3196
02:10:49,189 --> 02:10:48,239
but where's the body right where where's

3197
02:10:51,510 --> 02:10:49,199
the bones

3198
02:10:54,310 --> 02:10:51,520
and that's the part for me where i try

3199
02:10:56,550 --> 02:10:54,320
to stay pragmatic

3200
02:10:58,390 --> 02:10:56,560
well look at this there are serial

3201
02:10:58,950 --> 02:10:58,400
killers who drag a body off into the

3202
02:11:01,589 --> 02:10:58,960
woods

3203
02:11:03,750 --> 02:11:01,599
and we never find the bodies even after

3204
02:11:06,149 --> 02:11:03,760
they tell us where they dropped it off

3205
02:11:08,229 --> 02:11:06,159
because animals are scavengers and they

3206
02:11:10,390 --> 02:11:08,239
might pick and poke and drag pieces off

3207
02:11:11,350 --> 02:11:10,400
into different areas and eat them or

3208
02:11:13,189 --> 02:11:11,360
chew on them and

3209
02:11:14,950 --> 02:11:13,199
they're unrecognizable to you and i it

3210
02:11:16,229 --> 02:11:14,960
looks like an old dirty stick when we

3211
02:11:18,310 --> 02:11:16,239
walk past it

3212
02:11:20,069 --> 02:11:18,320
so what are we looking for we're looking

3213
02:11:21,109 --> 02:11:20,079
for a bleached white bone that we'd see

3214
02:11:23,109 --> 02:11:21,119
in a skeleton

3215
02:11:24,709 --> 02:11:23,119
you and i may be stepping over bones all

3216
02:11:25,910 --> 02:11:24,719
the time in the wilderness that we have

3217
02:11:28,470 --> 02:11:25,920
no clue

3218
02:11:30,069 --> 02:11:28,480
our fragments because it's a huge log

3219
02:11:32,069 --> 02:11:30,079
and you know

3220
02:11:34,310 --> 02:11:32,079
i had no idea that was the thigh bone of

3221
02:11:34,950 --> 02:11:34,320
a sasquatch right because i'm not that

3222
02:11:37,109 --> 02:11:34,960
guy

3223
02:11:39,030 --> 02:11:37,119
so we might be missing out on it you

3224
02:11:41,350 --> 02:11:39,040
know it's like the the people would say

3225
02:11:43,350 --> 02:11:41,360
if there's really ufos to me why haven't

3226
02:11:47,189 --> 02:11:43,360
they flown over the white house

3227
02:11:49,910 --> 02:11:47,199
but people forget they did 1952 there's

3228
02:11:52,709 --> 02:11:49,920
photographs in life magazine

3229
02:11:53,990 --> 02:11:52,719
it's out there it exists it's just what

3230
02:11:58,149 --> 02:11:54,000
are you willing

3231
02:12:01,589 --> 02:11:58,159
concede that

3232
02:12:05,350 --> 02:12:01,599
maybe even if you're an expert hunter

3233
02:12:08,310 --> 02:12:05,360
you don't recognize a bone of an animal

3234
02:12:09,750 --> 02:12:08,320
you're not familiar with and we are

3235
02:12:13,589 --> 02:12:09,760
stepping over the remains

3236
02:12:16,709 --> 02:12:13,599
and and or do they bury their

3237
02:12:17,270 --> 02:12:16,719
their uh dead i know that's not out of

3238
02:12:19,350 --> 02:12:17,280
the question

3239
02:12:21,030 --> 02:12:19,360
i agree with all of that and then

3240
02:12:23,430 --> 02:12:21,040
there's the other part of me

3241
02:12:24,069 --> 02:12:23,440
and i'm just being devil's advocate here

3242
02:12:25,430 --> 02:12:24,079
sure

3243
02:12:27,910 --> 02:12:25,440
where they say well you know we don't

3244
02:12:28,390 --> 02:12:27,920
find bears uh you know skeletons in the

3245
02:12:31,669 --> 02:12:28,400
woods

3246
02:12:34,870 --> 02:12:31,679
no oh dears okay i get that monk

3247
02:12:37,990 --> 02:12:34,880
i get that but we hit deer with cars

3248
02:12:41,350 --> 02:12:38,000
all the time how how

3249
02:12:43,830 --> 02:12:41,360
how has bigfoot avoided you know

3250
02:12:46,069 --> 02:12:43,840
cars he hasn't been people have talked

3251
02:12:47,830 --> 02:12:46,079
about hitting bigfoot with their car

3252
02:12:49,270 --> 02:12:47,840
they've they've you know hit the bigfoot

3253
02:12:51,189 --> 02:12:49,280
and he's put his hand on the hood and

3254
02:12:53,030 --> 02:12:51,199
left these big marks there's stories

3255
02:12:55,350 --> 02:12:53,040
like this that exist

3256
02:12:57,270 --> 02:12:55,360
but you know you see something huge and

3257
02:12:59,109 --> 02:12:57,280
hairy jump out in the road

3258
02:13:00,390 --> 02:12:59,119
you know you might turn and it's a

3259
02:13:02,149 --> 02:13:00,400
glancing blow

3260
02:13:04,069 --> 02:13:02,159
plus if this thing's that big and

3261
02:13:05,910 --> 02:13:04,079
powerful i'm sure it's just a muscular

3262
02:13:07,430 --> 02:13:05,920
structure to be able to survive in the

3263
02:13:08,950 --> 02:13:07,440
element

3264
02:13:10,709 --> 02:13:08,960
you might have done very little damage

3265
02:13:12,390 --> 02:13:10,719
to it or you know

3266
02:13:13,990 --> 02:13:12,400
i believe when we first started darkness

3267
02:13:15,750 --> 02:13:14,000
radio 15 years ago i had a guest

3268
02:13:17,270 --> 02:13:15,760
on and his name eludes me but he talked

3269
02:13:20,069 --> 02:13:17,280
about the fact that he believes that

3270
02:13:21,589 --> 02:13:20,079
the sasquatch work like a military unit

3271
02:13:24,709 --> 02:13:21,599
they have centuries

3272
02:13:26,390 --> 02:13:24,719
that's how you can hear stuff and you

3273
02:13:28,149 --> 02:13:26,400
keep approaching what you think might be

3274
02:13:29,750 --> 02:13:28,159
the bigfoot encampment you find the bend

3275
02:13:31,990 --> 02:13:29,760
over branches and the

3276
02:13:33,750 --> 02:13:32,000
the foliage and the nests but there's

3277
02:13:36,149 --> 02:13:33,760
nothing there how did they know

3278
02:13:36,790 --> 02:13:36,159
because they're constantly in the flying

3279
02:13:39,030 --> 02:13:36,800
duck v

3280
02:13:41,270 --> 02:13:39,040
formation backing up in the woods right

3281
02:13:43,189 --> 02:13:41,280
as they're watching us encroach and then

3282
02:13:44,550 --> 02:13:43,199
as they see them leave they go on and

3283
02:13:47,030 --> 02:13:44,560
from time to time you've got a scout

3284
02:13:49,830 --> 02:13:47,040
that wanders out and gets seen

3285
02:13:50,629 --> 02:13:49,840
and that's why there's one here and

3286
02:13:54,629 --> 02:13:50,639
there

3287
02:13:55,350 --> 02:13:54,639
the story i saw something when i was a

3288
02:13:58,470 --> 02:13:55,360
kid

3289
02:14:00,149 --> 02:13:58,480
i firmly believe was a bigfoot uh

3290
02:14:01,510 --> 02:14:00,159
could i hold my hand on the bible and

3291
02:14:04,310 --> 02:14:01,520
swear to you it was no

3292
02:14:06,229 --> 02:14:04,320
maybe it was a giant homeless man out in

3293
02:14:08,149 --> 02:14:06,239
my grandparents back forty

3294
02:14:09,589 --> 02:14:08,159
but i saw it and it pushed down the top

3295
02:14:12,790 --> 02:14:09,599
of a incredibly

3296
02:14:13,510 --> 02:14:12,800
tall bush pushed it down and i could see

3297
02:14:15,589 --> 02:14:13,520
from

3298
02:14:17,510 --> 02:14:15,599
right underneath the nose to the top of

3299
02:14:20,629 --> 02:14:17,520
the head and it had a large

3300
02:14:23,990 --> 02:14:20,639
berry gib black and gray mane and

3301
02:14:25,910 --> 02:14:24,000
a very dark inset face and

3302
02:14:30,229 --> 02:14:25,920
it stared at my cousin and i and when we

3303
02:14:35,030 --> 02:14:33,350
it was big walking in the woods that's

3304
02:14:35,430 --> 02:14:35,040
the only part we saw of it and it was a

3305
02:14:38,709 --> 02:14:35,440
good

3306
02:14:40,470 --> 02:14:38,719
50 yards away but having been able to go

3307
02:14:41,990 --> 02:14:40,480
back out there after that

3308
02:14:43,830 --> 02:14:42,000
you could see how tall the trees were at

3309
02:14:44,470 --> 02:14:43,840
that point you know i was 10 11 12 years

3310
02:14:47,030 --> 02:14:44,480
old

3311
02:14:48,390 --> 02:14:47,040
and the bushes it was pushing down were

3312
02:14:48,870 --> 02:14:48,400
a good seven feet tall and it was

3313
02:14:52,470 --> 02:14:48,880
pushing

3314
02:14:54,069 --> 02:14:52,480
down and exposing its face

3315
02:14:55,830 --> 02:14:54,079
you know it was enough to rattle my

3316
02:14:57,270 --> 02:14:55,840
family that my dad my uncle my

3317
02:14:58,870 --> 02:14:57,280
grandfather grabbed their shotguns and

3318
02:14:59,510 --> 02:14:58,880
ran out into the woods to see what was

3319
02:15:03,510 --> 02:14:59,520
out there

3320
02:15:07,270 --> 02:15:03,520
now okay so then

3321
02:15:12,149 --> 02:15:07,280
this is where i try to

3322
02:15:16,550 --> 02:15:12,159
rationalize it sure that just may be

3323
02:15:19,910 --> 02:15:16,560
it's interdimensional just maybe

3324
02:15:23,030 --> 02:15:19,920
that's why there's no bodies maybe

3325
02:15:24,229 --> 02:15:23,040
that's why they disappear and appear so

3326
02:15:27,669 --> 02:15:24,239
quickly

3327
02:15:30,149 --> 02:15:27,679
maybe because that's to me dave

3328
02:15:30,870 --> 02:15:30,159
as crazy as it is because i'm on the

3329
02:15:33,750 --> 02:15:30,880
fence

3330
02:15:34,069 --> 02:15:33,760
but that may be the simplest explanation

3331
02:15:39,030 --> 02:15:34,079
of

3332
02:15:41,830 --> 02:15:39,040
know the orbs the lights in the sky

3333
02:15:43,510 --> 02:15:41,840
there's ufo sightings and then there's a

3334
02:15:46,550 --> 02:15:43,520
bigfoot sighting

3335
02:15:49,350 --> 02:15:46,560
is is that a way to to help

3336
02:15:52,470 --> 02:15:49,360
explain all of this you know i was

3337
02:15:55,030 --> 02:15:52,480
writing a young adult book for my kids

3338
02:15:57,030 --> 02:15:55,040
uh about bigfoot and one of the concepts

3339
02:15:57,510 --> 02:15:57,040
i came up with just thinking about all

3340
02:16:00,229 --> 02:15:57,520
of the

3341
02:16:01,750 --> 02:16:00,239
stories of bigfoot how all of a sudden

3342
02:16:05,589 --> 02:16:01,760
there's this pungent

3343
02:16:08,790 --> 02:16:05,599
smell of sometimes rotting meat or

3344
02:16:09,430 --> 02:16:08,800
burning fur hair and i thought if these

3345
02:16:11,669 --> 02:16:09,440
things are

3346
02:16:12,790 --> 02:16:11,679
interdimensional and they're stepping

3347
02:16:15,910 --> 02:16:12,800
through a portal

3348
02:16:17,589 --> 02:16:15,920
is there kind of a

3349
02:16:19,589 --> 02:16:17,599
you know think of the terminator when

3350
02:16:21,510 --> 02:16:19,599
he's beamed back into the past there's

3351
02:16:23,830 --> 02:16:21,520
that kind of crackling energy around him

3352
02:16:26,310 --> 02:16:23,840
does that pungent smell come because it

3353
02:16:28,149 --> 02:16:26,320
just stepped through into our world

3354
02:16:29,830 --> 02:16:28,159
and it's it's a little burned it's a

3355
02:16:32,469 --> 02:16:29,840
little singed from making that

3356
02:16:33,990 --> 02:16:32,479
transition and hearing more and more of

3357
02:16:35,589 --> 02:16:34,000
these stories i wonder because it's not

3358
02:16:36,389 --> 02:16:35,599
there and then it is there and then it's

3359
02:16:38,309 --> 02:16:36,399
gone again

3360
02:16:39,830 --> 02:16:38,319
how does it smell like that on something

3361
02:16:41,349 --> 02:16:39,840
that big just dissipate because if

3362
02:16:43,110 --> 02:16:41,359
you've gone to the zoo

3363
02:16:45,190 --> 02:16:43,120
and where i live in minnesota we're not

3364
02:16:48,309 --> 02:16:45,200
far from the minnesota zoo and on

3365
02:16:49,110 --> 02:16:48,319
on bad hot summer nights when it's humid

3366
02:16:50,549 --> 02:16:49,120
and

3367
02:16:52,389 --> 02:16:50,559
you know i'm far enough away from the

3368
02:16:53,270 --> 02:16:52,399
zoo i can't necessarily hear the roar of

3369
02:16:55,830 --> 02:16:53,280
the lions

3370
02:16:57,270 --> 02:16:55,840
but i can smell animal you can just

3371
02:16:59,589 --> 02:16:57,280
smell it coming up

3372
02:17:01,509 --> 02:16:59,599
um and it's you know not super strong

3373
02:17:03,030 --> 02:17:01,519
but you can smell it so if something's

3374
02:17:04,150 --> 02:17:03,040
there and close to you how are you not

3375
02:17:05,990 --> 02:17:04,160
smelling it all the time

3376
02:17:07,669 --> 02:17:06,000
maybe because it is in phase or it's

3377
02:17:11,190 --> 02:17:07,679
shifting in and out of

3378
02:17:13,349 --> 02:17:11,200
our reality well and

3379
02:17:14,230 --> 02:17:13,359
i started to think about this and take

3380
02:17:17,910 --> 02:17:14,240
it more and more

3381
02:17:19,830 --> 02:17:17,920
seriously after we discovered this

3382
02:17:21,429 --> 02:17:19,840
this set of prints and there was four

3383
02:17:23,110 --> 02:17:21,439
they were about six feet apart by the

3384
02:17:26,389 --> 02:17:23,120
way left right left right

3385
02:17:26,950 --> 02:17:26,399
six feet okay now imagine that kind of

3386
02:17:30,469 --> 02:17:26,960
gate

3387
02:17:32,709 --> 02:17:30,479
right because i tried to step in between

3388
02:17:35,030 --> 02:17:32,719
and i was getting about three feet four

3389
02:17:36,709 --> 02:17:35,040
feet before i lost balance

3390
02:17:38,709 --> 02:17:36,719
and i was still two feet away from the

3391
02:17:41,589 --> 02:17:38,719
next footprint and it went in an

3392
02:17:44,150 --> 02:17:41,599
arch but in the middle of this field but

3393
02:17:47,750 --> 02:17:44,160
there were no footprints before

3394
02:17:48,870 --> 02:17:47,760
and there were none after so what did it

3395
02:17:52,549 --> 02:17:48,880
just drop in

3396
02:17:54,469 --> 02:17:52,559
did it parachute in right now

3397
02:17:55,589 --> 02:17:54,479
that was the part for me that got me

3398
02:17:59,270 --> 02:17:55,599
thinking

3399
02:18:01,110 --> 02:17:59,280
maybe he just appeared and disappeared

3400
02:18:02,950 --> 02:18:01,120
well you know and here here's a concept

3401
02:18:06,150 --> 02:18:02,960
i think it might have been

3402
02:18:07,830 --> 02:18:06,160
quantum leap or one of those shows

3403
02:18:09,509 --> 02:18:07,840
but again it was an interesting concept

3404
02:18:11,030 --> 02:18:09,519
of how you could time travel or how you

3405
02:18:12,469 --> 02:18:11,040
could travel through space and it was

3406
02:18:14,629 --> 02:18:12,479
taking a piece of paper

3407
02:18:16,389 --> 02:18:14,639
and you put an x here and an x here so

3408
02:18:18,230 --> 02:18:16,399
you've got them spread apart

3409
02:18:19,669 --> 02:18:18,240
and and how do we get a direct line it's

3410
02:18:20,709 --> 02:18:19,679
going to take that long well you don't

3411
02:18:22,790 --> 02:18:20,719
you fold it

3412
02:18:24,309 --> 02:18:22,800
and if we fold it and then push the

3413
02:18:25,030 --> 02:18:24,319
pencil through it goes from one to

3414
02:18:28,549 --> 02:18:25,040
another in an

3415
02:18:31,270 --> 02:18:28,559
instant maybe it's walking

3416
02:18:33,110 --> 02:18:31,280
through and we are just one of the pages

3417
02:18:34,309 --> 02:18:33,120
of the chapter that it's walking through

3418
02:18:37,509 --> 02:18:34,319
to where it's going

3419
02:18:39,190 --> 02:18:37,519
so for a brief instant it's there it's

3420
02:18:39,589 --> 02:18:39,200
out as it's making its way through the

3421
02:18:42,950 --> 02:18:39,599
different

3422
02:18:45,509 --> 02:18:42,960
levels of existence uh or

3423
02:18:46,469 --> 02:18:45,519
maybe like you and i it only stays

3424
02:18:49,030 --> 02:18:46,479
hidden while it's

3425
02:18:50,870 --> 02:18:49,040
consciously thinking about it and we get

3426
02:18:52,950 --> 02:18:50,880
distracted by something and for that

3427
02:18:55,990 --> 02:18:52,960
moment our consciousness

3428
02:18:57,349 --> 02:18:56,000
stops and we're you know oh man did i

3429
02:18:58,950 --> 02:18:57,359
leave the tea kettle on

3430
02:19:01,190 --> 02:18:58,960
and for that moment bigfoot's wondering

3431
02:19:03,349 --> 02:19:01,200
if he left the door unlocked to the cave

3432
02:19:04,230 --> 02:19:03,359
and then he realizes that he's he's

3433
02:19:06,230 --> 02:19:04,240
being seen

3434
02:19:07,750 --> 02:19:06,240
and then boop consciously goes back into

3435
02:19:10,309 --> 02:19:07,760
it and isn't seen again

3436
02:19:11,110 --> 02:19:10,319
i i don't know but it's it's fun to talk

3437
02:19:13,190 --> 02:19:11,120
about that's

3438
02:19:14,629 --> 02:19:13,200
you know what here's the deal if you

3439
02:19:16,389 --> 02:19:14,639
could know tomorrow

3440
02:19:17,910 --> 02:19:16,399
the answer to this question would you

3441
02:19:19,429 --> 02:19:17,920
really open that door

3442
02:19:21,589 --> 02:19:19,439
because to me i think it's a lot more

3443
02:19:24,629 --> 02:19:21,599
fun to want to know and

3444
02:19:26,469 --> 02:19:24,639
listen to people's stories and

3445
02:19:27,830 --> 02:19:26,479
the derivations in the way they tell

3446
02:19:28,870 --> 02:19:27,840
them and what their thoughts and

3447
02:19:30,309 --> 02:19:28,880
concepts are and

3448
02:19:31,990 --> 02:19:30,319
like with ghosts i don't know that we're

3449
02:19:34,870 --> 02:19:32,000
ever going to find one true

3450
02:19:36,230 --> 02:19:34,880
answer to any one of these elements i

3451
02:19:37,910 --> 02:19:36,240
i've

3452
02:19:39,509 --> 02:19:37,920
the flying saucer on the white house

3453
02:19:43,110 --> 02:19:39,519
lawn right okay so

3454
02:19:44,469 --> 02:19:43,120
we're there live tv it's hovering the

3455
02:19:47,990 --> 02:19:44,479
stairs come down

3456
02:19:50,230 --> 02:19:48,000
and you know there's uh five billion

3457
02:19:52,630 --> 02:19:50,240
people watching live around the world

3458
02:19:54,870 --> 02:19:52,640
and you see the feet coming down

3459
02:19:55,670 --> 02:19:54,880
i've often wondered who steps off that

3460
02:19:59,830 --> 02:19:55,680
ship

3461
02:20:04,070 --> 02:19:59,840
is it jesus right is it elvis

3462
02:20:06,150 --> 02:20:04,080
is it bigfoot right i mean

3463
02:20:07,990 --> 02:20:06,160
none of those are out of the question

3464
02:20:10,630 --> 02:20:08,000
but one is the first thing

3465
02:20:12,230 --> 02:20:10,640
is the first thing they ask pardon me do

3466
02:20:15,750 --> 02:20:12,240
you have any grey poupon

3467
02:20:15,990 --> 02:20:15,760
right uh what yeah what why what are

3468
02:20:19,110 --> 02:20:16,000
they

3469
02:20:21,030 --> 02:20:19,120
here for jimmy something big is coming i

3470
02:20:21,910 --> 02:20:21,040
have no doubt in my mind we've got

3471
02:20:25,030 --> 02:20:21,920
disclosure

3472
02:20:26,950 --> 02:20:25,040
every year

3473
02:20:29,670 --> 02:20:26,960
right we are getting the blue shoe of

3474
02:20:29,990 --> 02:20:29,680
exposure slowly released to us over the

3475
02:20:33,030 --> 02:20:30,000
last

3476
02:20:35,990 --> 02:20:33,040
few years something's coming

3477
02:20:37,830 --> 02:20:36,000
i i don't question that i think we're on

3478
02:20:38,710 --> 02:20:37,840
the precipice of finding some big

3479
02:20:42,070 --> 02:20:38,720
answers

3480
02:20:42,389 --> 02:20:42,080
and it's gonna shake the world up it's

3481
02:20:44,870 --> 02:20:42,399
gonna

3482
02:20:46,230 --> 02:20:44,880
shake our concepts and beliefs but

3483
02:20:48,469 --> 02:20:46,240
that's okay

3484
02:20:50,070 --> 02:20:48,479
it's time to elevate it's time to take

3485
02:20:50,950 --> 02:20:50,080
that next evolutionary step in

3486
02:20:52,950 --> 02:20:50,960
consciousness

3487
02:20:54,150 --> 02:20:52,960
until we can break the paradigms we're

3488
02:20:56,070 --> 02:20:54,160
all locked into

3489
02:20:58,469 --> 02:20:56,080
and realize there's so much more and we

3490
02:21:01,190 --> 02:20:58,479
are really such an insignificant gnat

3491
02:21:02,950 --> 02:21:01,200
on the back of this giant dog until we

3492
02:21:04,230 --> 02:21:02,960
can get past that and then just accept

3493
02:21:05,110 --> 02:21:04,240
things for what they are and learn to

3494
02:21:06,710 --> 02:21:05,120
work together

3495
02:21:08,790 --> 02:21:06,720
you know all the hippy kumbaya stuff

3496
02:21:10,710 --> 02:21:08,800
that people uh don't like to hear

3497
02:21:13,349 --> 02:21:10,720
i think we're gonna start seeing

3498
02:21:15,670 --> 02:21:13,359
ridiculous things

3499
02:21:18,070 --> 02:21:15,680
that will change our life and i believe

3500
02:21:21,190 --> 02:21:18,080
that yeah after the pandemic

3501
02:21:21,830 --> 02:21:21,200
and and every conspiracy theory known to

3502
02:21:25,349 --> 02:21:21,840
man

3503
02:21:28,469 --> 02:21:25,359
is is is out there uh

3504
02:21:30,309 --> 02:21:28,479
the truth about e.t ufos and bigfoot and

3505
02:21:31,670 --> 02:21:30,319
ghosts in the paranormal

3506
02:21:33,590 --> 02:21:31,680
uh i don't think it's going to be that

3507
02:21:36,230 --> 02:21:33,600
big of a deal right

3508
02:21:38,070 --> 02:21:36,240
i mean we're we're pretty active to the

3509
02:21:41,190 --> 02:21:38,080
shock at this point

3510
02:21:43,429 --> 02:21:41,200
i i did a video uh earlier this year

3511
02:21:44,790 --> 02:21:43,439
that i posted on social media i did it

3512
02:21:46,710 --> 02:21:44,800
as a joke it was after

3513
02:21:48,469 --> 02:21:46,720
having been home for like 60 days and

3514
02:21:49,910 --> 02:21:48,479
hadn't shaved or cut my hair

3515
02:21:51,830 --> 02:21:49,920
you know because i usually keep my head

3516
02:21:52,870 --> 02:21:51,840
shave bald and everything but i've got

3517
02:21:55,030 --> 02:21:52,880
hair on the side my

3518
02:21:56,309 --> 02:21:55,040
beard goatee are all wild and i just

3519
02:21:57,750 --> 02:21:56,319
looked crazed

3520
02:21:59,270 --> 02:21:57,760
and as i was sitting here i looked at it

3521
02:21:59,990 --> 02:21:59,280
and i laughed i'm about to go shave my

3522
02:22:01,510 --> 02:22:00,000
head

3523
02:22:02,790 --> 02:22:01,520
so i'm like well let's have some fun so

3524
02:22:04,710 --> 02:22:02,800
i set my phone up and i get that

3525
02:22:07,429 --> 02:22:04,720
wild-eyed look right and i'm like

3526
02:22:08,870 --> 02:22:07,439
hey man just thinking this thing out man

3527
02:22:13,670 --> 02:22:08,880
what if kovid

3528
02:22:14,230 --> 02:22:13,680
spread but not for the reasons you think

3529
02:22:17,030 --> 02:22:14,240
man

3530
02:22:18,870 --> 02:22:17,040
what if they know the aliens are coming

3531
02:22:21,990 --> 02:22:18,880
and this is to blanket us

3532
02:22:23,990 --> 02:22:22,000
in a virus so virulent so destructive

3533
02:22:25,270 --> 02:22:24,000
that like war of the worlds man when the

3534
02:22:26,389 --> 02:22:25,280
aliens land here

3535
02:22:28,389 --> 02:22:26,399
we don't have to worry about the

3536
02:22:28,870 --> 02:22:28,399
takeover this thing's gonna kill them

3537
02:22:30,870 --> 02:22:28,880
all

3538
02:22:32,150 --> 02:22:30,880
and we'll be safe and i'm just kind of

3539
02:22:33,990 --> 02:22:32,160
rambling and i'm doing this

3540
02:22:36,630 --> 02:22:34,000
and i did it obviously as a joke and i

3541
02:22:40,550 --> 02:22:36,640
start getting messages

3542
02:22:42,550 --> 02:22:40,560
that are like i can't tell you who i

3543
02:22:44,710 --> 02:22:42,560
am but you are definitely on to

3544
02:22:47,910 --> 02:22:44,720
something and i can say this

3545
02:22:49,270 --> 02:22:47,920
i work with a three-letter agency i know

3546
02:22:50,389 --> 02:22:49,280
that what you think you're doing is

3547
02:22:53,349 --> 02:22:50,399
funny

3548
02:22:55,270 --> 02:22:53,359
but you're very close to the truth

3549
02:22:59,270 --> 02:22:55,280
that's exactly where we are at

3550
02:23:00,389 --> 02:22:59,280
dave right now today that you can go and

3551
02:23:04,870 --> 02:23:00,399
do that

3552
02:23:08,070 --> 02:23:04,880
and it's okay right

3553
02:23:10,710 --> 02:23:08,080
5g we're spreading the viral virus

3554
02:23:11,590 --> 02:23:10,720
it's breathable man it's breathable then

3555
02:23:13,590 --> 02:23:11,600
we have five g

3556
02:23:15,110 --> 02:23:13,600
towers going up man and what will happen

3557
02:23:17,910 --> 02:23:15,120
is when the aliens enter

3558
02:23:19,510 --> 02:23:17,920
our atmosphere we'll flip on the 5g man

3559
02:23:21,670 --> 02:23:19,520
and it's going to electrify all the

3560
02:23:24,469 --> 02:23:21,680
chemicals of our breath from the covet

3561
02:23:27,030 --> 02:23:24,479
it'll fry their mainframe man it's

3562
02:23:29,510 --> 02:23:27,040
saving our planet

3563
02:23:30,469 --> 02:23:29,520
and then the bigfoot will come out of

3564
02:23:33,270 --> 02:23:30,479
the ocean

3565
02:23:34,950 --> 02:23:33,280
and help us that's bleep and brilliant

3566
02:23:35,990 --> 02:23:34,960
you just need to throw in some bill

3567
02:23:38,790 --> 02:23:36,000
gates

3568
02:23:40,309 --> 02:23:38,800
right no no no no man that's that's what

3569
02:23:44,230 --> 02:23:40,319
the man wants you to believe

3570
02:23:45,190 --> 02:23:44,240
jimmy i haven't laughed that hard in a

3571
02:23:48,230 --> 02:23:45,200
long time

3572
02:23:49,190 --> 02:23:48,240
but that's you know this is what is so

3573
02:23:52,230 --> 02:23:49,200
insane

3574
02:23:55,270 --> 02:23:52,240
to me as funny as that is and i

3575
02:23:58,469 --> 02:23:55,280
laughed really really hard i

3576
02:24:01,590 --> 02:23:58,479
i i'm shocked and

3577
02:24:04,630 --> 02:24:01,600
again not surprised but when

3578
02:24:07,590 --> 02:24:04,640
this conspiracy stuff started to go

3579
02:24:09,910 --> 02:24:07,600
uh two years ago and it started i

3580
02:24:12,790 --> 02:24:09,920
thought to myself

3581
02:24:14,150 --> 02:24:12,800
we're okay in the in the ufo community

3582
02:24:16,230 --> 02:24:14,160
we're okay in the paranormal

3583
02:24:17,270 --> 02:24:16,240
community we know how to deal with

3584
02:24:20,389 --> 02:24:17,280
conspiracies

3585
02:24:23,429 --> 02:24:20,399
we do you get outside of our circle

3586
02:24:24,870 --> 02:24:23,439
into the status quo they don't know how

3587
02:24:26,710 --> 02:24:24,880
to deal with it

3588
02:24:28,469 --> 02:24:26,720
and that's where we are today and that's

3589
02:24:30,950 --> 02:24:28,479
why that video

3590
02:24:32,389 --> 02:24:30,960
right as funny as it was and you did it

3591
02:24:33,910 --> 02:24:32,399
as a joke

3592
02:24:35,429 --> 02:24:33,920
those out there that don't know how to

3593
02:24:37,670 --> 02:24:35,439
handle it

3594
02:24:39,750 --> 02:24:37,680
everything is truth today it's a

3595
02:24:42,309 --> 02:24:39,760
dangerous world we are in when it comes

3596
02:24:45,270 --> 02:24:42,319
to conspiracy theory aren't we dave

3597
02:24:45,670 --> 02:24:45,280
well you know conspiracy in general uh

3598
02:24:50,790 --> 02:24:45,680
is

3599
02:24:52,150 --> 02:24:50,800
jimmy we we want to believe there's some

3600
02:24:54,950 --> 02:24:52,160
cabal behind

3601
02:24:56,870 --> 02:24:54,960
what's taking place it can't be just one

3602
02:24:57,910 --> 02:24:56,880
bad guy went in and shot up a school

3603
02:25:01,110 --> 02:24:57,920
full of children

3604
02:25:03,110 --> 02:25:01,120
it has to be that uh it's a government

3605
02:25:04,870 --> 02:25:03,120
cover-up it's a conspiracy it was a

3606
02:25:07,190 --> 02:25:04,880
false flag narrative to take away our

3607
02:25:09,030 --> 02:25:07,200
guns which hasn't worked it's the worst

3608
02:25:10,710 --> 02:25:09,040
trick in history because nobody's guns

3609
02:25:12,469 --> 02:25:10,720
have been taken away

3610
02:25:13,830 --> 02:25:12,479
except for the lunatics who went out

3611
02:25:14,710 --> 02:25:13,840
shaking their guns and threatening

3612
02:25:15,670 --> 02:25:14,720
others with them

3613
02:25:17,990 --> 02:25:15,680
because they weren't going to have their

3614
02:25:19,670 --> 02:25:18,000
guns taken away so you know that's where

3615
02:25:22,230 --> 02:25:19,680
it starts getting into these points

3616
02:25:24,070 --> 02:25:22,240
you've got to be careful what you

3617
02:25:24,550 --> 02:25:24,080
believe in not everything is tied to

3618
02:25:25,990 --> 02:25:24,560
something

3619
02:25:27,110 --> 02:25:26,000
big deep and dark and i know they're

3620
02:25:28,550 --> 02:25:27,120
going to say no that's because you're

3621
02:25:30,630 --> 02:25:28,560
working with the man

3622
02:25:32,150 --> 02:25:30,640
right they're controlling you schrader

3623
02:25:32,950 --> 02:25:32,160
they're controlling you that's why you

3624
02:25:37,190 --> 02:25:32,960
believe that

3625
02:25:41,750 --> 02:25:37,200
a villain

3626
02:25:45,590 --> 02:25:41,760
died i wanted to be mad at god

3627
02:25:47,590 --> 02:25:45,600
i wanted to vent and my co-host and

3628
02:25:48,389 --> 02:25:47,600
long-time friend tim took me aside he's

3629
02:25:49,990 --> 02:25:48,399
like

3630
02:25:52,389 --> 02:25:50,000
tell me where this anger is coming from

3631
02:25:54,389 --> 02:25:52,399
and i said man my mom died she spent her

3632
02:25:56,950 --> 02:25:54,399
life in service for others

3633
02:25:57,990 --> 02:25:56,960
she was a nurse she did everything for

3634
02:26:00,389 --> 02:25:58,000
everyone else

3635
02:26:01,429 --> 02:26:00,399
and then she just retired man she was

3636
02:26:03,190 --> 02:26:01,439
supposed to go live

3637
02:26:05,110 --> 02:26:03,200
the rest of her life in happiness and in

3638
02:26:07,750 --> 02:26:05,120
contentment with my dad

3639
02:26:10,230 --> 02:26:07,760
see the world and he said your mom got

3640
02:26:11,429 --> 02:26:10,240
to travel for the last 35 years with her

3641
02:26:14,070 --> 02:26:11,439
dad with your dad

3642
02:26:16,070 --> 02:26:14,080
the man she loves the love of her life

3643
02:26:17,910 --> 02:26:16,080
she got to do the job she was born to do

3644
02:26:21,190 --> 02:26:17,920
that she loved to do which was

3645
02:26:22,230 --> 02:26:21,200
servicing others your mom completed a

3646
02:26:24,150 --> 02:26:22,240
life that should be

3647
02:26:25,990 --> 02:26:24,160
and when you readjust and look at these

3648
02:26:29,670 --> 02:26:26,000
things through a different perspective

3649
02:26:31,429 --> 02:26:29,680
i didn't need a villain i needed clarity

3650
02:26:32,950 --> 02:26:31,439
and in those cases sometimes we just

3651
02:26:35,590 --> 02:26:32,960
have to divert from

3652
02:26:36,630 --> 02:26:35,600
the desire to plant the finger of blame

3653
02:26:38,389 --> 02:26:36,640
on something

3654
02:26:40,150 --> 02:26:38,399
and just start to look at the reality of

3655
02:26:41,590 --> 02:26:40,160
what our actions may have done to put us

3656
02:26:44,790 --> 02:26:41,600
in the positions that we're in

3657
02:26:48,550 --> 02:26:44,800
yeah and i've found it very interesting

3658
02:26:50,790 --> 02:26:48,560
that the conspiracy

3659
02:26:51,910 --> 02:26:50,800
creators out there of which now there

3660
02:26:54,389 --> 02:26:51,920
are thousands

3661
02:26:55,349 --> 02:26:54,399
thousands of conspiracies and a thousand

3662
02:26:59,030 --> 02:26:55,359
authors

3663
02:27:02,150 --> 02:26:59,040
of these have developed the fine art

3664
02:27:03,990 --> 02:27:02,160
of extending the conspiracy

3665
02:27:06,150 --> 02:27:04,000
right they extended just like you said

3666
02:27:09,349 --> 02:27:06,160
right right now

3667
02:27:12,389 --> 02:27:09,359
that it is so easy to just uh keep it

3668
02:27:15,590 --> 02:27:12,399
going and make it perpetual

3669
02:27:16,710 --> 02:27:15,600
it's it's fascinating to me dave because

3670
02:27:19,750 --> 02:27:16,720
so many people

3671
02:27:21,270 --> 02:27:19,760
want to they want to understand why this

3672
02:27:24,790 --> 02:27:21,280
took place it has to be

3673
02:27:25,590 --> 02:27:24,800
something bigger than them there has to

3674
02:27:27,830 --> 02:27:25,600
be some

3675
02:27:29,270 --> 02:27:27,840
and you know what it also shows you the

3676
02:27:30,870 --> 02:27:29,280
fragility of humanity

3677
02:27:32,870 --> 02:27:30,880
because what it really came down to is

3678
02:27:33,910 --> 02:27:32,880
jimmy i just wanted someone like you in

3679
02:27:35,429 --> 02:27:33,920
my life

3680
02:27:36,950 --> 02:27:35,439
that we could talk about this with i

3681
02:27:37,910 --> 02:27:36,960
wanted to feel i was a part of a

3682
02:27:39,429 --> 02:27:37,920
community

3683
02:27:41,349 --> 02:27:39,439
that we could discuss these things now

3684
02:27:43,110 --> 02:27:41,359
i'm not saying there aren't some crazy

3685
02:27:46,710 --> 02:27:43,120
ass conspiracies that are true

3686
02:27:49,750 --> 02:27:46,720
there's a lot of i i do not believe

3687
02:27:51,990 --> 02:27:49,760
that lee harvey oswald killed jfk

3688
02:27:53,349 --> 02:27:52,000
right i believe that there are different

3689
02:27:55,429 --> 02:27:53,359
conspiracies i believe there was a

3690
02:27:57,270 --> 02:27:55,439
conspiracy to cover up roswell there are

3691
02:27:58,950 --> 02:27:57,280
conspiracies to do these things

3692
02:28:01,030 --> 02:27:58,960
but i don't believe everything is a

3693
02:28:03,750 --> 02:28:01,040
conspiracy i think that sometimes

3694
02:28:04,469 --> 02:28:03,760
tragic tragedy happens because that's

3695
02:28:07,750 --> 02:28:04,479
life

3696
02:28:10,790 --> 02:28:07,760
now uh you don't have a choice

3697
02:28:11,590 --> 02:28:10,800
you're gonna hang on and uh and do over

3698
02:28:13,590 --> 02:28:11,600
time with this

3699
02:28:15,270 --> 02:28:13,600
that's it that's it that's it uh checks

3700
02:28:15,750 --> 02:28:15,280
in the mail so you don't have to worry

3701
02:28:17,510 --> 02:28:15,760
about that

3702
02:28:19,270 --> 02:28:17,520
all right this is fade to black our

3703
02:28:21,910 --> 02:28:19,280
guest tonight darkness dave

3704
02:28:23,990 --> 02:28:21,920
dave schrader is with us of the holzer

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02:28:26,469 --> 02:28:24,000
files and it's not season three i've

3706
02:28:27,750 --> 02:28:26,479
been saying that all week dave threw me

3707
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under the bus

3708
02:28:31,349 --> 02:28:30,880
it's part two it's part two of z it's a

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season

3710
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overtime next after this short break

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[Music]

3793
02:32:38,309 --> 02:32:35,359
welcome back fade to black i am your

3794
02:32:41,270 --> 02:32:38,319
host jimmy church

3795
02:32:43,270 --> 02:32:41,280
it's our last night of tv week here on

3796
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fade to black i want to thank georgios

3797
02:32:46,469 --> 02:32:44,640
for coming in

3798
02:32:47,830 --> 02:32:46,479
right now it's darkness dave dave

3799
02:32:49,750 --> 02:32:47,840
schrader and

3800
02:32:51,270 --> 02:32:49,760
host of the holzer files and of course

3801
02:32:52,550 --> 02:32:51,280
darkness radio and i'm going gonna say

3802
02:32:55,590 --> 02:32:52,560
this out of the gate

3803
02:32:59,510 --> 02:32:55,600
um there's so much uh out there

3804
02:33:03,670 --> 02:32:59,520
uh the the soap opera that show hosts

3805
02:33:07,429 --> 02:33:03,680
aren't friends and and we're we're just

3806
02:33:10,150 --> 02:33:07,439
no dave i just enjoy

3807
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our friendship and every time that you

3808
02:33:14,630 --> 02:33:11,439
are on the show

3809
02:33:16,550 --> 02:33:14,640
except hopefully it doesn't end right

3810
02:33:19,670 --> 02:33:16,560
now with what i'm about to say

3811
02:33:21,670 --> 02:33:19,680
oh all right all right here we go let's

3812
02:33:22,389 --> 02:33:21,680
see what you got for me i'm supposed to

3813
02:33:26,389 --> 02:33:22,399
ask you

3814
02:33:31,429 --> 02:33:29,590
what is blue chew jimmy come on men of

3815
02:33:32,790 --> 02:33:31,439
our age know what blue chew is love

3816
02:33:35,110 --> 02:33:32,800
shouldn't be hard but

3817
02:33:36,870 --> 02:33:35,120
it's better when it is jimmy it's it's

3818
02:33:39,590 --> 02:33:36,880
the chewable version of

3819
02:33:40,150 --> 02:33:39,600
of uh you know erection pills and it's

3820
02:33:42,070 --> 02:33:40,160
uh

3821
02:33:43,830 --> 02:33:42,080
available over the counter you can order

3822
02:33:44,309 --> 02:33:43,840
blue chew it's one of our sponsors on

3823
02:33:47,429 --> 02:33:44,319
our

3824
02:33:48,870 --> 02:33:47,439
radio program and uh you know i'm a man

3825
02:33:52,230 --> 02:33:48,880
of 53 years old

3826
02:33:54,150 --> 02:33:52,240
i have a beautiful wife 15 uh 14 almost

3827
02:33:56,469 --> 02:33:54,160
15 years my junior

3828
02:33:58,070 --> 02:33:56,479
and i need to keep up to date if you

3829
02:33:58,950 --> 02:33:58,080
know what i mean jimmy so i'm not afraid

3830
02:34:04,389 --> 02:33:58,960
to say that

3831
02:34:10,550 --> 02:34:08,070
what is it is it is it is it gum

3832
02:34:11,670 --> 02:34:10,560
no it's a little tablet oh it's a tablet

3833
02:34:14,550 --> 02:34:11,680
that's a template

3834
02:34:15,590 --> 02:34:14,560
you don't chew the tablet you do blue

3835
02:34:20,469 --> 02:34:15,600
chew

3836
02:34:23,830 --> 02:34:20,479
see how that works

3837
02:34:26,710 --> 02:34:23,840
am i red am i am i am i am i

3838
02:34:28,950 --> 02:34:26,720
changing i don't know that's what blue

3839
02:34:32,070 --> 02:34:28,960
chew is i was picturing

3840
02:34:32,790 --> 02:34:32,080
i was picturing what was um when we were

3841
02:34:35,910 --> 02:34:32,800
kids

3842
02:34:37,830 --> 02:34:35,920
big chew big chew yeah where you take

3843
02:34:39,750 --> 02:34:37,840
the big plug of gum

3844
02:34:41,110 --> 02:34:39,760
strips and stick them in your between

3845
02:34:45,190 --> 02:34:41,120
your lip and gum yeah

3846
02:34:48,389 --> 02:34:45,200
and you know it was uh it was the intro

3847
02:34:49,590 --> 02:34:48,399
uh to uh to tobacco and nicotine for

3848
02:34:52,630 --> 02:34:49,600
kids

3849
02:34:53,830 --> 02:34:52,640
yeah yeah like those little chalk

3850
02:34:56,070 --> 02:34:53,840
cigarettes we used to get

3851
02:34:57,429 --> 02:34:56,080
i used to love those man oh yeah who

3852
02:34:57,990 --> 02:34:57,439
didn't know it was always cool to smoke

3853
02:35:01,110 --> 02:34:58,000
little fake

3854
02:35:02,230 --> 02:35:01,120
cigarettes yeah you could i remember you

3855
02:35:05,750 --> 02:35:02,240
could

3856
02:35:08,870 --> 02:35:05,760
through it and the

3857
02:35:09,990 --> 02:35:08,880
sugar dust would blow out like smoke do

3858
02:35:11,510 --> 02:35:10,000
you remember that you'd have to do it

3859
02:35:12,950 --> 02:35:11,520
yeah you do have to do it slow so you

3860
02:35:13,910 --> 02:35:12,960
just take puffs off it should always

3861
02:35:15,110 --> 02:35:13,920
look like you're

3862
02:35:17,910 --> 02:35:15,120
you got a little bit of smoke there if

3863
02:35:19,670 --> 02:35:17,920
you just blow it all out it's no good

3864
02:35:21,750 --> 02:35:19,680
that was that was that's right that's

3865
02:35:24,550 --> 02:35:21,760
right that was the coolest thing

3866
02:35:26,230 --> 02:35:24,560
uh when we were kids was to get those uh

3867
02:35:28,790 --> 02:35:26,240
bubblegum cigarettes

3868
02:35:30,710 --> 02:35:28,800
dude i i'm mourn for the children of

3869
02:35:31,030 --> 02:35:30,720
today because they don't know the joys

3870
02:35:32,550 --> 02:35:31,040
of

3871
02:35:34,550 --> 02:35:32,560
candy cigarettes they don't know what

3872
02:35:36,309 --> 02:35:34,560
it's like to ride in the back seat of a

3873
02:35:38,309 --> 02:35:36,319
station wagon with your buddies with no

3874
02:35:39,110 --> 02:35:38,319
seatbelt on they don't know what it's

3875
02:35:41,510 --> 02:35:39,120
like

3876
02:35:42,790 --> 02:35:41,520
to be able to get on your bikes and bike

3877
02:35:45,110 --> 02:35:42,800
all day and come home

3878
02:35:47,349 --> 02:35:45,120
as the street lights go on we live in a

3879
02:35:49,670 --> 02:35:47,359
sheltered weird weird world right now

3880
02:35:50,389 --> 02:35:49,680
and i i miss my childhood and i wish my

3881
02:35:53,349 --> 02:35:50,399
children

3882
02:35:54,469 --> 02:35:53,359
had had my childhood and i don't know if

3883
02:35:56,150 --> 02:35:54,479
it's just because maybe

3884
02:35:57,910 --> 02:35:56,160
our parents hated us jim and they just

3885
02:35:58,550 --> 02:35:57,920
hoped we'd get abducted or beat up but

3886
02:36:00,790 --> 02:35:58,560
uh

3887
02:36:01,670 --> 02:36:00,800
i'm not sure you know that was a fact of

3888
02:36:04,309 --> 02:36:01,680
life and

3889
02:36:04,710 --> 02:36:04,319
and for anybody that is listening right

3890
02:36:07,270 --> 02:36:04,720
now

3891
02:36:09,349 --> 02:36:07,280
that think that that is a bunch of bs

3892
02:36:13,030 --> 02:36:09,359
let me tell you something

3893
02:36:15,429 --> 02:36:13,040
you did not go back home

3894
02:36:17,110 --> 02:36:15,439
you did not go in the house because you

3895
02:36:20,790 --> 02:36:17,120
got yelled at

3896
02:36:24,230 --> 02:36:20,800
you were told to go back outside right

3897
02:36:25,510 --> 02:36:24,240
i mean my parents had no clue where we

3898
02:36:29,030 --> 02:36:25,520
were for 12

3899
02:36:31,990 --> 02:36:29,040
14 16 hours a day

3900
02:36:32,309 --> 02:36:32,000
man and it was there's nothing better

3901
02:36:35,349 --> 02:36:32,319
than

3902
02:36:35,990 --> 02:36:35,359
disappearing i'd ride my huffy through

3903
02:36:38,630 --> 02:36:36,000
the

3904
02:36:40,870 --> 02:36:38,640
backwoods by my house playing planet of

3905
02:36:41,429 --> 02:36:40,880
the apes being chased by the monkeys you

3906
02:36:43,910 --> 02:36:41,439
know and

3907
02:36:44,710 --> 02:36:43,920
on my imaginary horses i'm beating the

3908
02:36:46,870 --> 02:36:44,720
odds and

3909
02:36:48,950 --> 02:36:46,880
i'd go fishing for hours on the little

3910
02:36:51,030 --> 02:36:48,960
ponds and lakes by my home and

3911
02:36:53,270 --> 02:36:51,040
you know you just i god you remember

3912
02:36:54,469 --> 02:36:53,280
playing marathon sessions of softball

3913
02:36:56,309 --> 02:36:54,479
with your buddies

3914
02:36:57,990 --> 02:36:56,319
you know now i go out and you know i get

3915
02:36:59,990 --> 02:36:58,000
a paper cut i need a nap

3916
02:37:01,670 --> 02:37:00,000
right uh when i was a kid i could i

3917
02:37:03,190 --> 02:37:01,680
could play all day long man i miss that

3918
02:37:05,750 --> 02:37:03,200
i want to get back to that world

3919
02:37:07,429 --> 02:37:05,760
that's where we all need to be yeah but

3920
02:37:09,590 --> 02:37:07,439
i felt so strange

3921
02:37:11,590 --> 02:37:09,600
uh you know you're a parent i'm a parent

3922
02:37:15,429 --> 02:37:11,600
and my two daughters

3923
02:37:17,429 --> 02:37:15,439
um the front yard

3924
02:37:18,469 --> 02:37:17,439
that that was the limit the fen you

3925
02:37:22,070 --> 02:37:18,479
could not go

3926
02:37:25,349 --> 02:37:22,080
outside of the gates you stayed in

3927
02:37:28,469 --> 02:37:25,359
the front yard where i can see you

3928
02:37:30,950 --> 02:37:28,479
yeah right and how how how

3929
02:37:32,309 --> 02:37:30,960
wrong is that that that's the society

3930
02:37:35,349 --> 02:37:32,319
that we're in today

3931
02:37:36,150 --> 02:37:35,359
that is not uh there isn't a parent in

3932
02:37:39,750 --> 02:37:36,160
this country

3933
02:37:42,870 --> 02:37:39,760
you go to jail you go to jail if you let

3934
02:37:44,790 --> 02:37:42,880
your kids get out of your sight yeah

3935
02:37:46,389 --> 02:37:44,800
it's crazy right i mean i remember and

3936
02:37:47,110 --> 02:37:46,399
listen it was a dangerous world back

3937
02:37:49,349 --> 02:37:47,120
then

3938
02:37:51,030 --> 02:37:49,359
i remember walking the mile between mine

3939
02:37:52,630 --> 02:37:51,040
and my best friend rick's house

3940
02:37:54,469 --> 02:37:52,640
and i remember one day walking and this

3941
02:37:56,070 --> 02:37:54,479
guy pulled up in an old rusted car and

3942
02:37:57,030 --> 02:37:56,080
he rolled on his window and said hey man

3943
02:37:59,510 --> 02:37:57,040
can you help me i'm trying to find

3944
02:38:00,710 --> 02:37:59,520
himself i'm what i'm trying

3945
02:38:02,550 --> 02:38:00,720
i can't find him my way i'm trying to

3946
02:38:04,070 --> 02:38:02,560
get something and that's why i get

3947
02:38:05,429 --> 02:38:04,080
closer you're trying to find what and as

3948
02:38:08,710 --> 02:38:05,439
i get closer

3949
02:38:12,150 --> 02:38:08,720
he goes get in the car

3950
02:38:14,790 --> 02:38:12,160
and then i realized oh no and

3951
02:38:16,389 --> 02:38:14,800
i was about to be abducted and i took

3952
02:38:17,349 --> 02:38:16,399
off like a bat out of hell cutting

3953
02:38:19,670 --> 02:38:17,359
through backyards

3954
02:38:21,510 --> 02:38:19,680
screaming and neighbors came out at that

3955
02:38:23,030 --> 02:38:21,520
time jimmy when i'm yelling neighbors

3956
02:38:24,870 --> 02:38:23,040
are coming out to see and i'm like he's

3957
02:38:26,630 --> 02:38:24,880
trying to grab me he's trying to grab me

3958
02:38:28,230 --> 02:38:26,640
and i cut through yards jumped my

3959
02:38:29,670 --> 02:38:28,240
friend's fence and was here

3960
02:38:32,550 --> 02:38:29,680
you can't cut through people's yards

3961
02:38:34,070 --> 02:38:32,560
anymore without a lawsuit you can't

3962
02:38:35,830 --> 02:38:34,080
you know that you call out for help and

3963
02:38:36,630 --> 02:38:35,840
your neighbors shut their curtains now

3964
02:38:40,389 --> 02:38:36,640
it's a sad

3965
02:38:43,030 --> 02:38:40,399
aspect of the world that we live in i um

3966
02:38:44,710 --> 02:38:43,040
i i had the same thing happen to me

3967
02:38:47,990 --> 02:38:44,720
except for

3968
02:38:51,110 --> 02:38:48,000
uh i was 14 or 15 years old and i

3969
02:38:54,950 --> 02:38:51,120
got in the car and

3970
02:38:57,670 --> 02:38:54,960
uh i'm not going to tell the story

3971
02:38:58,389 --> 02:38:57,680
i might have told it on the air before

3972
02:39:01,590 --> 02:38:58,399
but

3973
02:39:05,750 --> 02:39:01,600
um i got out of the car

3974
02:39:06,469 --> 02:39:05,760
eventually and when i did and it got

3975
02:39:10,469 --> 02:39:06,479
strange

3976
02:39:13,270 --> 02:39:10,479
it did it did it did and i am so lucky

3977
02:39:13,830 --> 02:39:13,280
that it didn't go to where it could have

3978
02:39:16,870 --> 02:39:13,840
gone

3979
02:39:19,910 --> 02:39:16,880
that's right that's that's the fact but

3980
02:39:23,270 --> 02:39:19,920
um i i'm running and i

3981
02:39:26,469 --> 02:39:23,280
see uh uh my friend

3982
02:39:27,349 --> 02:39:26,479
uh craig craig taltaval uh this and i

3983
02:39:29,910 --> 02:39:27,359
see his mom

3984
02:39:30,710 --> 02:39:29,920
a german lady she was great she was

3985
02:39:32,469 --> 02:39:30,720
awesome

3986
02:39:34,230 --> 02:39:32,479
but anyway she's in the front yard

3987
02:39:37,349 --> 02:39:34,240
watering the lawn

3988
02:39:40,070 --> 02:39:37,359
and and i run past her i saw

3989
02:39:42,469 --> 02:39:40,080
everything that i love and i walked

3990
02:39:45,750 --> 02:39:42,479
through her front door

3991
02:39:47,590 --> 02:39:45,760
right i walked into her house and she's

3992
02:39:50,710 --> 02:39:47,600
like uh jimmy what's wrong

3993
02:39:53,830 --> 02:39:50,720
and i walked right through and in and

3994
02:39:56,389 --> 02:39:53,840
and and wow right

3995
02:39:57,990 --> 02:39:56,399
and and that's uh do you remember this i

3996
02:40:00,230 --> 02:39:58,000
grew up in the suburbs of

3997
02:40:01,270 --> 02:40:00,240
chicago about 22 miles west in a town

3998
02:40:04,550 --> 02:40:01,280
called medina

3999
02:40:06,469 --> 02:40:04,560
and roselle i know medina yes okay we

4000
02:40:07,910 --> 02:40:06,479
we used to have when you look in

4001
02:40:10,630 --> 02:40:07,920
people's front windows and you'd see a

4002
02:40:12,389 --> 02:40:10,640
sheet of paper with a red hand on it

4003
02:40:14,389 --> 02:40:12,399
and that meant that that was a safe

4004
02:40:16,870 --> 02:40:14,399
house if you were if there were

4005
02:40:17,510 --> 02:40:16,880
kidnappers tornadoes whatever was going

4006
02:40:20,070 --> 02:40:17,520
on

4007
02:40:21,750 --> 02:40:20,080
you could go there and you would be safe

4008
02:40:23,590 --> 02:40:21,760
and you don't see that anymore you don't

4009
02:40:24,309 --> 02:40:23,600
see the sense of community that we used

4010
02:40:25,990 --> 02:40:24,319
to have

4011
02:40:28,389 --> 02:40:26,000
in this world people watching out for

4012
02:40:29,910 --> 02:40:28,399
each other the way we used to

4013
02:40:31,590 --> 02:40:29,920
and that's you know i think that's kind

4014
02:40:34,790 --> 02:40:31,600
of a shame yeah i uh

4015
02:40:39,030 --> 02:40:34,800
i grew up in north chicago right

4016
02:40:40,150 --> 02:40:39,040
okay oh sure right and um check this out

4017
02:40:42,710 --> 02:40:40,160
i'm so glad we're having this

4018
02:40:43,590 --> 02:40:42,720
conversation i've never told the story

4019
02:40:45,349 --> 02:40:43,600
on the air

4020
02:40:50,150 --> 02:40:45,359
but this is what it was like growing up

4021
02:40:52,469 --> 02:40:50,160
so i am probably six

4022
02:40:54,230 --> 02:40:52,479
i'm about six or seven years old and we

4023
02:40:57,830 --> 02:40:54,240
lived on lake michigan

4024
02:40:59,830 --> 02:40:57,840
and we could go down uh to the beach

4025
02:41:01,429 --> 02:40:59,840
of lake michigan which was a quarter

4026
02:41:03,030 --> 02:41:01,439
mile from our house you could see lake

4027
02:41:05,349 --> 02:41:03,040
michigan from our our house

4028
02:41:06,469 --> 02:41:05,359
this is at fort sheridan by the way the

4029
02:41:09,030 --> 02:41:06,479
army base

4030
02:41:09,830 --> 02:41:09,040
so anyway we would walk down and from

4031
02:41:13,429 --> 02:41:09,840
the beach

4032
02:41:16,309 --> 02:41:13,439
you could look up uh which was south

4033
02:41:17,510 --> 02:41:16,319
and you could just see the chicago

4034
02:41:20,150 --> 02:41:17,520
skyline

4035
02:41:20,870 --> 02:41:20,160
right from from where we were but you

4036
02:41:24,230 --> 02:41:20,880
could see

4037
02:41:27,429 --> 02:41:24,240
the sand and one day me

4038
02:41:30,710 --> 02:41:27,439
and my brother mike and another friend

4039
02:41:32,030 --> 02:41:30,720
we decide that we're gonna walk

4040
02:41:34,950 --> 02:41:32,040
to chicago

4041
02:41:38,150 --> 02:41:34,960
[Laughter]

4042
02:41:39,910 --> 02:41:38,160
and we take off we walk up the beach now

4043
02:41:43,429 --> 02:41:39,920
we start in the morning

4044
02:41:45,190 --> 02:41:43,439
and uh and we walk as [\h__\h] of course you

4045
02:41:47,990 --> 02:41:45,200
know obviously we didn't make it i don't

4046
02:41:50,790 --> 02:41:48,000
know how many miles we walked

4047
02:41:52,630 --> 02:41:50,800
right but we were gone all day and we

4048
02:41:53,429 --> 02:41:52,640
got to the point where we need to turn

4049
02:41:55,349 --> 02:41:53,439
around and go

4050
02:41:56,630 --> 02:41:55,359
back we've been doing this for four or

4051
02:41:59,510 --> 02:41:56,640
five hours

4052
02:42:00,710 --> 02:41:59,520
and we turned around and walked back up

4053
02:42:03,990 --> 02:42:00,720
the beach

4054
02:42:07,429 --> 02:42:04,000
uh back home and made it imagine

4055
02:42:09,910 --> 02:42:07,439
if my kids told me that story today

4056
02:42:11,030 --> 02:42:09,920
they would be grounded until they were

4057
02:42:14,309 --> 02:42:11,040
50.

4058
02:42:16,630 --> 02:42:14,319
and here folks this is the scary part

4059
02:42:17,349 --> 02:42:16,640
there were no cell phones you couldn't

4060
02:42:20,070 --> 02:42:17,359
reach us

4061
02:42:23,190 --> 02:42:20,080
wherever we were you just had to pray we

4062
02:42:26,630 --> 02:42:23,200
would make our way home

4063
02:42:27,670 --> 02:42:26,640
right that's it that's it i think about

4064
02:42:30,389 --> 02:42:27,680
it now

4065
02:42:30,790 --> 02:42:30,399
and i wouldn't give that up for anything

4066
02:42:33,990 --> 02:42:30,800
i mean

4067
02:42:34,950 --> 02:42:34,000
where where did it go man where did it

4068
02:42:37,190 --> 02:42:34,960
go

4069
02:42:39,190 --> 02:42:37,200
i lived a hearty boy's life i would

4070
02:42:39,990 --> 02:42:39,200
sneak into old abandoned homes and

4071
02:42:42,230 --> 02:42:40,000
churches i

4072
02:42:43,910 --> 02:42:42,240
would you know the old amusement park

4073
02:42:46,070 --> 02:42:43,920
you remember adventure land oh yeah

4074
02:42:47,590 --> 02:42:46,080
of course lake street yeah when it shut

4075
02:42:49,030 --> 02:42:47,600
down it was you know a couple miles from

4076
02:42:51,670 --> 02:42:49,040
my house we'd walk there we'd hop the

4077
02:42:54,150 --> 02:42:51,680
fence and walk around in that creepy old

4078
02:42:54,950 --> 02:42:54,160
uh place and we'd you know go loot

4079
02:42:57,269 --> 02:42:54,960
through the old

4080
02:42:59,030 --> 02:42:57,279
stuffed animal bags and you know it's

4081
02:43:00,950 --> 02:42:59,040
just it was a remarkable life but

4082
02:43:03,590 --> 02:43:00,960
yeah like you said that it that just

4083
02:43:06,630 --> 02:43:03,600
doesn't exist anymore

4084
02:43:09,510 --> 02:43:06,640
i know you have got i've got a dozen

4085
02:43:10,870 --> 02:43:09,520
give me the craziest adventure story

4086
02:43:14,230 --> 02:43:10,880
when you were a kid

4087
02:43:16,950 --> 02:43:14,240
the crate the craziest adventure story

4088
02:43:17,830 --> 02:43:16,960
the the one that's at the top something

4089
02:43:20,830 --> 02:43:17,840
comes to mind

4090
02:43:22,070 --> 02:43:20,840
first sure i would say uh you know we

4091
02:43:23,269 --> 02:43:22,080
had

4092
02:43:24,710 --> 02:43:23,279
this is kind of where the name of our

4093
02:43:26,870 --> 02:43:24,720
show came from darkness radio is

4094
02:43:29,030 --> 02:43:26,880
actually darkness on the edge of town

4095
02:43:30,630 --> 02:43:29,040
paranormal radio show based on bruce

4096
02:43:32,309 --> 02:43:30,640
springsteen song but that concept that

4097
02:43:33,910 --> 02:43:32,319
in every town and every village in every

4098
02:43:34,950 --> 02:43:33,920
state and every country around the world

4099
02:43:37,910 --> 02:43:34,960
there's

4100
02:43:40,150 --> 02:43:37,920
that area that one house everybody knows

4101
02:43:40,710 --> 02:43:40,160
belongs to the town witch or the ghostly

4102
02:43:45,510 --> 02:43:40,720
house

4103
02:43:47,110 --> 02:43:45,520
surrounded by nothing but woods never

4104
02:43:48,469 --> 02:43:47,120
any lights on and i remember that my

4105
02:43:49,670 --> 02:43:48,479
buddies and i crept through their

4106
02:43:51,590 --> 02:43:49,680
backyard and

4107
02:43:54,070 --> 02:43:51,600
into the backyard of this house with

4108
02:43:55,510 --> 02:43:54,080
overgrown trees and bushes and hedges

4109
02:43:57,349 --> 02:43:55,520
and grass and we

4110
02:43:58,950 --> 02:43:57,359
snuck in through a basement window and

4111
02:44:01,349 --> 02:43:58,960
we walked around the house

4112
02:44:02,790 --> 02:44:01,359
we uncovered dirty comic books and

4113
02:44:05,830 --> 02:44:02,800
magazines we

4114
02:44:08,150 --> 02:44:05,840
found crazy old you know jewels and

4115
02:44:09,670 --> 02:44:08,160
it's just kind of cool stuff and then we

4116
02:44:10,710 --> 02:44:09,680
found out that house wasn't abandoned

4117
02:44:12,230 --> 02:44:10,720
there was just a guy in there that

4118
02:44:15,190 --> 02:44:12,240
didn't like people

4119
02:44:15,750 --> 02:44:15,200
and we all heard this we all heard this

4120
02:44:17,190 --> 02:44:15,760
moan

4121
02:44:19,190 --> 02:44:17,200
and we turned and looked at each other

4122
02:44:21,190 --> 02:44:19,200
thinking the seventh layer of hell it

4123
02:44:21,750 --> 02:44:21,200
just opened and a demon was coming for

4124
02:44:23,349 --> 02:44:21,760
us

4125
02:44:25,670 --> 02:44:23,359
and there was a man that came around the

4126
02:44:27,429 --> 02:44:25,680
corner and we you've never seen kids

4127
02:44:28,389 --> 02:44:27,439
scooby doo it out of a house as quick as

4128
02:44:31,190 --> 02:44:28,399
we did

4129
02:44:32,710 --> 02:44:31,200
and uh that was one of my fun moments of

4130
02:44:33,590 --> 02:44:32,720
adventure that will stick with me till

4131
02:44:36,870 --> 02:44:33,600
the day i die

4132
02:44:38,870 --> 02:44:36,880
just remembering that you know that

4133
02:44:40,230 --> 02:44:38,880
urban exploration and again we would

4134
02:44:41,429 --> 02:44:40,240
have never gone in there had i known

4135
02:44:44,309 --> 02:44:41,439
we just thought it was an old abandoned

4136
02:44:47,590 --> 02:44:44,319
house nobody ever visited i got nothing

4137
02:44:51,670 --> 02:44:47,600
i got nothing i can't i can't um

4138
02:44:54,710 --> 02:44:51,680
when uh when i lived in indianapolis

4139
02:44:58,230 --> 02:44:54,720
uh we uh

4140
02:45:01,030 --> 02:44:58,240
we probably lived about five miles from

4141
02:45:02,630 --> 02:45:01,040
our junior high school which was ps 103

4142
02:45:06,230 --> 02:45:02,640
public school 103

4143
02:45:10,710 --> 02:45:06,240
on 38th street and it it sat

4144
02:45:14,070 --> 02:45:10,720
off of 38th behind this set of woods

4145
02:45:16,870 --> 02:45:14,080
so it was actually like in a

4146
02:45:18,389 --> 02:45:16,880
subdivi you know a subdivision on the

4147
02:45:20,710 --> 02:45:18,399
other side of these trees but

4148
02:45:22,630 --> 02:45:20,720
to get to school we had to walk up 38th

4149
02:45:25,830 --> 02:45:22,640
street crossed 38th street

4150
02:45:29,510 --> 02:45:25,840
and there was a path it was uh

4151
02:45:31,750 --> 02:45:29,520
paved for kids to go go to school

4152
02:45:33,429 --> 02:45:31,760
and it went through the woods and then

4153
02:45:34,230 --> 02:45:33,439
we would come out on the other side of

4154
02:45:36,950 --> 02:45:34,240
the woods

4155
02:45:37,429 --> 02:45:36,960
about a hundred yards maybe to the back

4156
02:45:39,510 --> 02:45:37,439
side

4157
02:45:40,630 --> 02:45:39,520
of the junior high school okay no big

4158
02:45:42,469 --> 02:45:40,640
deal but

4159
02:45:44,150 --> 02:45:42,479
when you're walking through this path to

4160
02:45:47,590 --> 02:45:44,160
the left out in the

4161
02:45:50,389 --> 02:45:47,600
forest out in the woods was this house

4162
02:45:51,670 --> 02:45:50,399
and it sat there all by itself and there

4163
02:45:54,150 --> 02:45:51,680
were all of these

4164
02:45:55,269 --> 02:45:54,160
rumors it's haunted it's this and that

4165
02:45:58,630 --> 02:45:55,279
and we never

4166
02:46:01,349 --> 02:45:58,640
you know and seventh and eighth grade

4167
02:46:02,950 --> 02:46:01,359
in junior high i just let that place go

4168
02:46:05,830 --> 02:46:02,960
but i would see it

4169
02:46:07,349 --> 02:46:05,840
right and it was just like there kind of

4170
02:46:10,389 --> 02:46:07,359
creepy well one day

4171
02:46:12,790 --> 02:46:10,399
my my friend his name was paul he goes

4172
02:46:15,349 --> 02:46:12,800
man let's go to the haunted house

4173
02:46:16,389 --> 02:46:15,359
i'm like dude no no no no i'm not down

4174
02:46:18,150 --> 02:46:16,399
with that

4175
02:46:20,389 --> 02:46:18,160
not down with it no man we're gonna go

4176
02:46:24,389 --> 02:46:20,399
we're gonna go lunch hour today

4177
02:46:26,630 --> 02:46:24,399
we're gonna go and uh so uh

4178
02:46:28,870 --> 02:46:26,640
it's it's lunch hour after you're done

4179
02:46:29,990 --> 02:46:28,880
eating lunch in the cafeteria went out

4180
02:46:31,670 --> 02:46:30,000
to the playground

4181
02:46:34,710 --> 02:46:31,680
right okay all right for the rest of

4182
02:46:38,150 --> 02:46:34,720
lunch hour he's like let's go

4183
02:46:40,070 --> 02:46:38,160
oh man so we sneak off and we get off

4184
02:46:41,990 --> 02:46:40,080
school grounds and we're walking through

4185
02:46:46,230 --> 02:46:42,000
the woods and i'm coming up to this

4186
02:46:47,990 --> 02:46:46,240
and it's abandoned it's one story house

4187
02:46:49,910 --> 02:46:48,000
and as i'm getting closer i can see the

4188
02:46:52,950 --> 02:46:49,920
windows are knocked out

4189
02:46:54,870 --> 02:46:52,960
and and things and we get through and we

4190
02:46:57,349 --> 02:46:54,880
go in the back door

4191
02:46:59,110 --> 02:46:57,359
and and walk in and it's it's it's beat

4192
02:47:00,790 --> 02:46:59,120
down there's no furniture or anything

4193
02:47:03,190 --> 02:47:00,800
and there's holes in the wall and

4194
02:47:04,710 --> 02:47:03,200
and stuff like that anyway walk through

4195
02:47:07,030 --> 02:47:04,720
the back half of the house and we

4196
02:47:09,349 --> 02:47:07,040
walk into the living room it's a wooden

4197
02:47:11,510 --> 02:47:09,359
floor and i see this fireplace

4198
02:47:13,510 --> 02:47:11,520
and i'm walking into the living room and

4199
02:47:16,070 --> 02:47:13,520
on the floor

4200
02:47:17,190 --> 02:47:16,080
on everything that i love on this wooden

4201
02:47:21,110 --> 02:47:17,200
floor

4202
02:47:24,070 --> 02:47:21,120
is like a 10 foot black

4203
02:47:24,790 --> 02:47:24,080
pentagram in the middle of the living

4204
02:47:27,830 --> 02:47:24,800
room floor

4205
02:47:31,750 --> 02:47:27,840
and i i didn't really understand

4206
02:47:34,870 --> 02:47:31,760
you know i i kind of knew i was probably

4207
02:47:37,349 --> 02:47:34,880
11 years old at the time 12 years old

4208
02:47:38,790 --> 02:47:37,359
but i knew it wasn't right but it

4209
02:47:40,790 --> 02:47:38,800
freaked me out dave

4210
02:47:42,630 --> 02:47:40,800
it freaked me out i was like dude i'm

4211
02:47:45,670 --> 02:47:42,640
out i'm out i'm out i'm out

4212
02:47:49,590 --> 02:47:45,680
and and i went back and it was like

4213
02:47:52,950 --> 02:47:49,600
burnt into my eyeballs now i know

4214
02:47:56,790 --> 02:47:52,960
today you know now is it kids is it

4215
02:47:58,950 --> 02:47:56,800
hippies you know this is 1975

4216
02:48:00,070 --> 02:47:58,960
is it just people goofing around i don't

4217
02:48:02,630 --> 02:48:00,080
know i just

4218
02:48:03,590 --> 02:48:02,640
saw it and there it was and it was it

4219
02:48:07,910 --> 02:48:03,600
was painted

4220
02:48:10,070 --> 02:48:07,920
um and my memory was it was like brushed

4221
02:48:12,870 --> 02:48:10,080
right not like spray paint but it was it

4222
02:48:16,309 --> 02:48:12,880
was it was black paint on the floor

4223
02:48:18,309 --> 02:48:16,319
there it was i never went back

4224
02:48:19,830 --> 02:48:18,319
never went back yeah it was just

4225
02:48:22,150 --> 02:48:19,840
evidence appearing

4226
02:48:23,590 --> 02:48:22,160
real what if it was a pentacle but

4227
02:48:24,710 --> 02:48:23,600
because you'd see it in horror movies

4228
02:48:26,389 --> 02:48:24,720
you thought it was something bad what if

4229
02:48:27,590 --> 02:48:26,399
this was a protective spell the owner

4230
02:48:29,269 --> 02:48:27,600
had put on that home

4231
02:48:31,349 --> 02:48:29,279
scared the crap out of me man didn't

4232
02:48:34,389 --> 02:48:31,359
matter either way

4233
02:48:38,150 --> 02:48:34,399
best let me let me let me

4234
02:48:41,269 --> 02:48:38,160
just say that um i remember

4235
02:48:44,469 --> 02:48:41,279
uh man i wish uh paul uh

4236
02:48:45,429 --> 02:48:44,479
keith powell um paul jackson my friends

4237
02:48:48,150 --> 02:48:45,439
from back then

4238
02:48:49,750 --> 02:48:48,160
listening to the show to call in because

4239
02:48:51,590 --> 02:48:49,760
after that

4240
02:48:53,750 --> 02:48:51,600
that was the back entrance and going out

4241
02:48:56,950 --> 02:48:53,760
the path to get to 38th street

4242
02:48:58,150 --> 02:48:56,960
i changed my route i changed my route i

4243
02:48:59,990 --> 02:48:58,160
went out the front

4244
02:49:01,269 --> 02:49:00,000
of the school i didn't go through the

4245
02:49:02,630 --> 02:49:01,279
woods anymore

4246
02:49:04,389 --> 02:49:02,640
i went out the front of the school and

4247
02:49:07,670 --> 02:49:04,399
took the long way home

4248
02:49:08,950 --> 02:49:07,680
uh i i was i was done i i couldn't walk

4249
02:49:11,349 --> 02:49:08,960
through the uh

4250
02:49:12,950 --> 02:49:11,359
walk through the woods anymore yeah i

4251
02:49:16,230 --> 02:49:12,960
don't blame you i i had a house

4252
02:49:17,030 --> 02:49:16,240
uh where i grew up in medina um and you

4253
02:49:19,269 --> 02:49:17,040
know it was all just

4254
02:49:21,190 --> 02:49:19,279
ranch houses right there are beautiful

4255
02:49:22,950 --> 02:49:21,200
little houses everything's fine very

4256
02:49:25,030 --> 02:49:22,960
pleasant valley sunday and i'm

4257
02:49:26,630 --> 02:49:25,040
walking to i think it was halloween

4258
02:49:30,070 --> 02:49:26,640
getting to my buddy's house

4259
02:49:32,550 --> 02:49:30,080
and as i walk past this house

4260
02:49:33,190 --> 02:49:32,560
i just glance up and i see the old man

4261
02:49:36,950 --> 02:49:33,200
standing

4262
02:49:38,790 --> 02:49:36,960
inside so he's got a hedge the sidewalk

4263
02:49:40,150 --> 02:49:38,800
and then his house with the plate glass

4264
02:49:42,150 --> 02:49:40,160
window and back in the day

4265
02:49:43,269 --> 02:49:42,160
right late 70s early 80s we didn't have

4266
02:49:45,110 --> 02:49:43,279
9000

4267
02:49:46,710 --> 02:49:45,120
cable channels so we used to watch

4268
02:49:47,269 --> 02:49:46,720
people mow their lawn and check on our

4269
02:49:49,429 --> 02:49:47,279
neighbors

4270
02:49:51,269 --> 02:49:49,439
right so i don't think too much of it i

4271
02:49:53,269 --> 02:49:51,279
take a few more steps and i glance back

4272
02:49:53,990 --> 02:49:53,279
at him and he's outside in front of the

4273
02:49:57,030 --> 02:49:54,000
row of hedges

4274
02:49:59,110 --> 02:49:57,040
without making a sound

4275
02:50:00,070 --> 02:49:59,120
and i i turn i start trying to process

4276
02:50:02,389 --> 02:50:00,080
and i'm like

4277
02:50:03,830 --> 02:50:02,399
what what and i turn one more time and

4278
02:50:05,510 --> 02:50:03,840
now he's halfway in the middle of his

4279
02:50:09,750 --> 02:50:05,520
yard standing there staring at me

4280
02:50:11,110 --> 02:50:09,760
no sound no running i take off i turn

4281
02:50:11,670 --> 02:50:11,120
one more time and he's on the corner of

4282
02:50:14,230 --> 02:50:11,680
the yard

4283
02:50:16,150 --> 02:50:14,240
five feet from me boom like a bat out of

4284
02:50:17,510 --> 02:50:16,160
hell i found out later the father of

4285
02:50:19,750 --> 02:50:17,520
that house had died

4286
02:50:21,590 --> 02:50:19,760
christmas eve um had a massive heart

4287
02:50:24,790 --> 02:50:21,600
attack in front of that picture window

4288
02:50:25,830 --> 02:50:24,800
so you know he wasn't like throwing a

4289
02:50:28,389 --> 02:50:25,840
flaming pumpkin

4290
02:50:29,910 --> 02:50:28,399
at me he wasn't screaming with black

4291
02:50:32,230 --> 02:50:29,920
eyes he just was

4292
02:50:33,269 --> 02:50:32,240
watching but it was the most terrifying

4293
02:50:34,630 --> 02:50:33,279
and as an adult

4294
02:50:37,990 --> 02:50:34,640
when i go out there still to visit my

4295
02:50:39,349 --> 02:50:38,000
dad i will avoid that road at all costs

4296
02:50:40,870 --> 02:50:39,359
and i can't tell you why because like i

4297
02:50:42,870 --> 02:50:40,880
said nothing chilling about it other

4298
02:50:45,510 --> 02:50:42,880
than i just knew it felt wrong and it

4299
02:50:47,349 --> 02:50:45,520
was weird but on that same street

4300
02:50:49,349 --> 02:50:47,359
same street i was running out to go

4301
02:50:50,790 --> 02:50:49,359
visit my buddy started raining there was

4302
02:50:51,670 --> 02:50:50,800
a house that was being built on the

4303
02:50:52,950 --> 02:50:51,680
corner

4304
02:50:55,030 --> 02:50:52,960
they had the structure up and a

4305
02:50:57,110 --> 02:50:55,040
lightning bolt hit that house

4306
02:50:59,670 --> 02:50:57,120
and i got knocked on my butt i mean that

4307
02:51:01,429 --> 02:50:59,680
lightning bolt hit a half a block away

4308
02:51:02,950 --> 02:51:01,439
and because there was water everywhere

4309
02:51:06,230 --> 02:51:02,960
and it hit that frame

4310
02:51:08,389 --> 02:51:06,240
boom i just flipped backwards so i

4311
02:51:10,230 --> 02:51:08,399
didn't get hit directly by lightning but

4312
02:51:11,910 --> 02:51:10,240
i definitely got the follow through

4313
02:51:13,830 --> 02:51:11,920
so that that whole street was weird to

4314
02:51:15,190 --> 02:51:13,840
me growing up now what were the odds of

4315
02:51:26,230 --> 02:51:15,200
that

4316
02:51:29,510 --> 02:51:26,240
uh and the old man kind of freaks me out

4317
02:51:32,150 --> 02:51:29,520
yeah did you um

4318
02:51:32,710 --> 02:51:32,160
was your grandparents house haunted and

4319
02:51:35,830 --> 02:51:32,720
the reason

4320
02:51:38,950 --> 02:51:35,840
before you answer that um

4321
02:51:40,870 --> 02:51:38,960
i with all of my friends visiting

4322
02:51:42,870 --> 02:51:40,880
their grandparents growing up you know

4323
02:51:46,230 --> 02:51:42,880
we've all done that a few times

4324
02:51:49,030 --> 02:51:46,240
my grandparents it seemed that

4325
02:51:50,469 --> 02:51:49,040
they all said the same thing oh that's

4326
02:51:54,630 --> 02:51:50,479
our ghost

4327
02:51:56,550 --> 02:51:54,640
here same thing with you

4328
02:51:57,670 --> 02:51:56,560
i didn't you know but that was my

4329
02:52:00,309 --> 02:51:57,680
introduction to the world of the

4330
02:52:02,309 --> 02:52:00,319
paranormal my grandmother

4331
02:52:04,550 --> 02:52:02,319
loved her soul she passed away from

4332
02:52:07,349 --> 02:52:04,560
cirrhosis

4333
02:52:09,110 --> 02:52:07,359
she was an alcoholic and i was her pride

4334
02:52:10,790 --> 02:52:09,120
and joy i was the son she never got to

4335
02:52:12,469 --> 02:52:10,800
have but she was so far along in her

4336
02:52:14,309 --> 02:52:12,479
journey of destruction

4337
02:52:15,990 --> 02:52:14,319
that i made it to barely two when she

4338
02:52:17,349 --> 02:52:16,000
passed away

4339
02:52:18,950 --> 02:52:17,359
and when i would go to visit my

4340
02:52:20,309 --> 02:52:18,960
grandfather i would sleep in what was my

4341
02:52:21,750 --> 02:52:20,319
grandmother's room

4342
02:52:23,670 --> 02:52:21,760
because they loved each other but my

4343
02:52:25,750 --> 02:52:23,680
grandfather up till the day he died

4344
02:52:26,150 --> 02:52:25,760
snored like you were putting a chainsaw

4345
02:52:28,550 --> 02:52:26,160
through

4346
02:52:29,670 --> 02:52:28,560
a garbage disposal or bottles for a

4347
02:52:33,030 --> 02:52:29,680
garbage disposal

4348
02:52:34,550 --> 02:52:33,040
so they had to sleep far apart so i uh

4349
02:52:35,910 --> 02:52:34,560
i slept in her room and when my mom

4350
02:52:37,590 --> 02:52:35,920
would come to pick me up i'd tell her

4351
02:52:39,030 --> 02:52:37,600
how grandma came to talk to me and she

4352
02:52:40,150 --> 02:52:39,040
would read me stories and tell me how

4353
02:52:41,750 --> 02:52:40,160
much she loved me and

4354
02:52:43,590 --> 02:52:41,760
my mom thought i was dreaming and she

4355
02:52:46,309 --> 02:52:43,600
put it off a few times

4356
02:52:47,670 --> 02:52:46,319
and then finally i got very uh animated

4357
02:52:48,950 --> 02:52:47,680
about the fact that it was silly

4358
02:52:51,030 --> 02:52:48,960
you know she didn't have all of her

4359
02:52:54,070 --> 02:52:51,040
teeth and then i described what she

4360
02:52:55,750 --> 02:52:54,080
looked like and my mom

4361
02:52:57,190 --> 02:52:55,760
talking to my aunt one day said you know

4362
02:52:59,510 --> 02:52:57,200
dave keeps dreaming of

4363
02:53:00,870 --> 02:52:59,520
of mom she goes what do you mean well

4364
02:53:02,150 --> 02:53:00,880
every time i drop him off here and he

4365
02:53:03,830 --> 02:53:02,160
spends a night he says

4366
02:53:05,830 --> 02:53:03,840
mom comes to visit him and read to him

4367
02:53:06,150 --> 02:53:05,840
and my my aunt's eyes get huge and she's

4368
02:53:08,309 --> 02:53:06,160
like

4369
02:53:09,670 --> 02:53:08,319
really yeah and what's weird is the last

4370
02:53:10,870 --> 02:53:09,680
time he said she looks kind of funny

4371
02:53:11,910 --> 02:53:10,880
because she doesn't have all of her

4372
02:53:13,750 --> 02:53:11,920
teeth

4373
02:53:15,670 --> 02:53:13,760
she was wearing a dress with like a

4374
02:53:17,590 --> 02:53:15,680
necklace and

4375
02:53:19,910 --> 02:53:17,600
because of the state of how she looked

4376
02:53:22,790 --> 02:53:19,920
when she passed it was a closed casket

4377
02:53:24,469 --> 02:53:22,800
my grandfather found out you know he was

4378
02:53:27,750 --> 02:53:24,479
that my grandmother passed away

4379
02:53:27,990 --> 02:53:27,760
he told my aunt he said go home pick out

4380
02:53:35,750 --> 02:53:28,000
an

4381
02:53:38,790 --> 02:53:35,760
three people

4382
02:53:40,230 --> 02:53:38,800
my aunt my grandpa and my other

4383
02:53:41,830 --> 02:53:40,240
mortician that knew what my aunt or my

4384
02:53:43,750 --> 02:53:41,840
grandmother was buried in

4385
02:53:45,030 --> 02:53:43,760
and i described to a t the outfit she

4386
02:53:47,110 --> 02:53:45,040
had been buried in

4387
02:53:48,070 --> 02:53:47,120
and they had removed her false teeth for

4388
02:53:51,030 --> 02:53:48,080
burial

4389
02:53:52,070 --> 02:53:51,040
so i shouldn't have known those things

4390
02:53:54,230 --> 02:53:52,080
at the age i was

4391
02:53:55,990 --> 02:53:54,240
but so that house was haunted by my

4392
02:53:57,990 --> 02:53:56,000
grandmother but i can't i don't know if

4393
02:53:59,910 --> 02:53:58,000
you know i've driven past it as an adult

4394
02:54:01,510 --> 02:53:59,920
and often wondered if i go knock on that

4395
02:54:03,190 --> 02:54:01,520
door what would they tell me would they

4396
02:54:05,830 --> 02:54:03,200
say that there's still something there

4397
02:54:07,910 --> 02:54:05,840
is my grandmother still on those grounds

4398
02:54:09,910 --> 02:54:07,920
it's hard to say but it's uh

4399
02:54:11,830 --> 02:54:09,920
you know i i've often thought about

4400
02:54:15,349 --> 02:54:11,840
making that return someday

4401
02:54:18,950 --> 02:54:15,359
i know that uh you

4402
02:54:22,950 --> 02:54:18,960
have repeated this at that age

4403
02:54:26,309 --> 02:54:22,960
to your relatives but do you remember

4404
02:54:27,590 --> 02:54:26,319
this going down no that's my it was just

4405
02:54:30,070 --> 02:54:27,600
the legend and lore but

4406
02:54:31,750 --> 02:54:30,080
right right the kind of coup de grace to

4407
02:54:33,590 --> 02:54:31,760
this whole thing was that

4408
02:54:35,750 --> 02:54:33,600
when my mom told my aunt that my aunt

4409
02:54:38,790 --> 02:54:35,760
admitted she had gotten phone calls

4410
02:54:42,070 --> 02:54:38,800
from my grandmother after she died

4411
02:54:43,750 --> 02:54:42,080
and so it was you know

4412
02:54:45,349 --> 02:54:43,760
my my grandmother's spirit was very

4413
02:54:46,630 --> 02:54:45,359
prevalent and wanted to keep in touch

4414
02:54:48,870 --> 02:54:46,640
with all of us

4415
02:54:51,030 --> 02:54:48,880
um i believe she made another appearance

4416
02:54:53,830 --> 02:54:51,040
at my oldest son's birth

4417
02:54:54,309 --> 02:54:53,840
uh it was a home birth we had a midwife

4418
02:54:56,389 --> 02:54:54,319
and

4419
02:54:58,150 --> 02:54:56,399
um the baby was breech my oldest son

4420
02:54:59,750 --> 02:54:58,160
cliff and

4421
02:55:01,190 --> 02:54:59,760
she tried to deliver the baby in the

4422
02:55:02,710 --> 02:55:01,200
normal way and then said okay i need you

4423
02:55:04,710 --> 02:55:02,720
to we're going to bring gravity into

4424
02:55:05,830 --> 02:55:04,720
this i want you to stand up dave

4425
02:55:07,910 --> 02:55:05,840
you're going to put your arms out in

4426
02:55:09,349 --> 02:55:07,920
front of you like goal posts and she's

4427
02:55:11,030 --> 02:55:09,359
going to stand with her back to you and

4428
02:55:12,070 --> 02:55:11,040
put her arms over your arms and she's

4429
02:55:13,590 --> 02:55:12,080
going to drop her weight and you're

4430
02:55:15,269 --> 02:55:13,600
going to hold her up

4431
02:55:18,150 --> 02:55:15,279
well i just had knee surgery the month

4432
02:55:19,590 --> 02:55:18,160
before so i'm like okay and i'm

4433
02:55:21,510 --> 02:55:19,600
trying to you know i'm a strong

4434
02:55:22,389 --> 02:55:21,520
strapping young 20 year old and i'm i

4435
02:55:23,590 --> 02:55:22,399
can do this and i'm

4436
02:55:25,910 --> 02:55:23,600
holding her and she'd go into a

4437
02:55:26,870 --> 02:55:25,920
contraction come out of it and i'd relax

4438
02:55:29,590 --> 02:55:26,880
she'd relax

4439
02:55:31,190 --> 02:55:29,600
and then she drops into a contraction

4440
02:55:32,630 --> 02:55:31,200
and i start to lose my balance and i

4441
02:55:34,710 --> 02:55:32,640
start falling backwards

4442
02:55:36,550 --> 02:55:34,720
and i get to like a 90 degree pitch and

4443
02:55:38,150 --> 02:55:36,560
i stop and it felt like somebody grabbed

4444
02:55:39,349 --> 02:55:38,160
me underneath both of my armpits and

4445
02:55:41,349 --> 02:55:39,359
stood me straight back

4446
02:55:42,950 --> 02:55:41,359
up and i'm figuring i've watched

4447
02:55:43,429 --> 02:55:42,960
incredible hulk i know what it's like

4448
02:55:45,510 --> 02:55:43,439
you just

4449
02:55:47,269 --> 02:55:45,520
in a moment of love and you're going to

4450
02:55:50,710 --> 02:55:47,279
get this interior strength and my

4451
02:55:52,630 --> 02:55:50,720
muscles and my back locked up and i

4452
02:55:54,550 --> 02:55:52,640
you know i hulked out and helped her but

4453
02:55:56,309 --> 02:55:54,560
afterwards my mom says

4454
02:55:58,389 --> 02:55:56,319
my mom worked for a hospital for

4455
02:55:59,990 --> 02:55:58,399
crippled children spinal cord injuries

4456
02:56:01,349 --> 02:56:00,000
she goes how did you stand up that was

4457
02:56:02,550 --> 02:56:01,359
impossible

4458
02:56:03,990 --> 02:56:02,560
i said truthfully it kind of felt like

4459
02:56:05,269 --> 02:56:04,000
somebody grabbed me she goes that's what

4460
02:56:07,030 --> 02:56:05,279
it looked like

4461
02:56:08,710 --> 02:56:07,040
because my mom was there to help deliver

4462
02:56:10,150 --> 02:56:08,720
and then she was did you smell anything

4463
02:56:11,830 --> 02:56:10,160
and i said mom i was holding a pregnant

4464
02:56:12,550 --> 02:56:11,840
woman giving birth i smelled a lot of

4465
02:56:14,150 --> 02:56:12,560
things

4466
02:56:15,670 --> 02:56:14,160
and she laughed and she said but did she

4467
02:56:16,389 --> 02:56:15,680
smell any i said well i did smell

4468
02:56:17,750 --> 02:56:16,399
flowers

4469
02:56:20,710 --> 02:56:17,760
she was that was your grandmother's

4470
02:56:23,830 --> 02:56:20,720
perfume and i stepped out in the hall

4471
02:56:25,990 --> 02:56:23,840
and my aunt pulls me aside and she goes

4472
02:56:27,750 --> 02:56:26,000
did you smell anything and i said yeah i

4473
02:56:28,550 --> 02:56:27,760
smell flowers she goes that was mom's

4474
02:56:30,230 --> 02:56:28,560
perfume

4475
02:56:32,630 --> 02:56:30,240
she was here dave i think she's the one

4476
02:56:35,190 --> 02:56:32,640
that grabbed you so i think

4477
02:56:35,990 --> 02:56:35,200
my grandmother made that visit again you

4478
02:56:38,389 --> 02:56:36,000
know uh

4479
02:56:41,510 --> 02:56:38,399
18 years later to come say hi and help

4480
02:56:43,590 --> 02:56:41,520
me deliver my my son my first boy

4481
02:56:44,550 --> 02:56:43,600
i remember uh we're at the end of the

4482
02:56:46,550 --> 02:56:44,560
show uh

4483
02:56:47,670 --> 02:56:46,560
i'm gonna just i want to share this with

4484
02:56:48,309 --> 02:56:47,680
you really quick speaking of

4485
02:56:53,269 --> 02:56:48,319
grandparents

4486
02:56:55,590 --> 02:56:53,279
in holly michigan which was

4487
02:56:57,269 --> 02:56:55,600
at the time it was 150 years old you

4488
02:56:59,830 --> 02:56:57,279
know so anyway

4489
02:57:01,190 --> 02:56:59,840
um i'm sitting there with my grandfather

4490
02:57:04,389 --> 02:57:01,200
uh cal

4491
02:57:07,590 --> 02:57:04,399
and we're watching tv and

4492
02:57:09,910 --> 02:57:07,600
i'm hearing and i'm i'm like five i'm

4493
02:57:11,590 --> 02:57:09,920
young but i'm hearing noises in the

4494
02:57:14,150 --> 02:57:11,600
house and my grandmother

4495
02:57:15,269 --> 02:57:14,160
is in the kitchen washing dishes i can

4496
02:57:17,190 --> 02:57:15,279
hear her

4497
02:57:19,030 --> 02:57:17,200
but their bedroom tv's in front of me

4498
02:57:19,670 --> 02:57:19,040
their bedroom doors i go and i'm hearing

4499
02:57:22,550 --> 02:57:19,680
noise

4500
02:57:24,150 --> 02:57:22,560
like stuff coming from the bedroom and

4501
02:57:24,469 --> 02:57:24,160
i'm looking at my grandfather and he's

4502
02:57:27,910 --> 02:57:24,479
not

4503
02:57:28,790 --> 02:57:27,920
moving he's watching tv i'm hearing

4504
02:57:31,750 --> 02:57:28,800
stuff

4505
02:57:32,389 --> 02:57:31,760
and i'm looking at him waiting for him

4506
02:57:36,389 --> 02:57:32,399
to

4507
02:57:38,550 --> 02:57:36,399
say something and i'm like grant grandpa

4508
02:57:39,510 --> 02:57:38,560
don't you hear that my grandmother comes

4509
02:57:42,309 --> 02:57:39,520
out she's

4510
02:57:43,670 --> 02:57:42,319
drying her hands she goes that's our

4511
02:57:45,510 --> 02:57:43,680
ghost

4512
02:57:47,429 --> 02:57:45,520
and turns around and walks back into the

4513
02:57:49,590 --> 02:57:47,439
kitchen i'm like very matter of fact

4514
02:57:52,710 --> 02:57:49,600
yeah

4515
02:57:55,269 --> 02:57:52,720
ghost there you go and

4516
02:57:56,630 --> 02:57:55,279
that house always freaked me out and

4517
02:57:59,590 --> 02:57:56,640
after that

4518
02:57:59,910 --> 02:57:59,600
uh i was kind of chilled out about it

4519
02:58:01,910 --> 02:57:59,920
but

4520
02:58:03,190 --> 02:58:01,920
ghosts were there right it was like this

4521
02:58:06,150 --> 02:58:03,200
verification

4522
02:58:07,429 --> 02:58:06,160
dave okay so when does the holzer files

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02:58:09,590 --> 02:58:07,439
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4524
02:58:11,990 --> 02:58:09,600
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uh our first new episode just started

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02:58:25,830 --> 02:58:23,760
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4532
02:58:28,230 --> 02:58:25,840
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4533
02:58:29,030 --> 02:58:28,240
this week you gotta tune in because uh

4534
02:58:32,070 --> 02:58:29,040
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4535
02:58:34,150 --> 02:58:32,080
uh i i leave with a huge

4536
02:58:35,429 --> 02:58:34,160
gouge in my back you'll have to tune in

4537
02:58:37,510 --> 02:58:35,439
and find out what happens

4538
02:58:39,990 --> 02:58:37,520
uh there's six new episodes they begin

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02:58:44,389 --> 02:58:43,040
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4542
02:58:47,670 --> 02:58:44,399
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02:58:51,110 --> 02:58:49,680
tuesday drops wednesday thursday we've

4545
02:58:53,110 --> 02:58:51,120
got brand new episodes and then every

4546
02:58:54,150 --> 02:58:53,120
friday i do holzers ghosts which is a

4547
02:58:57,349 --> 02:58:54,160
recap

4548
02:58:59,670 --> 02:58:57,359
of uh the last episode of ghost uh of

4549
02:59:01,429 --> 02:58:59,680
holzer's files and we talked with people

4550
02:59:03,269 --> 02:59:01,439
from the episode and we go take a deeper

4551
02:59:05,110 --> 02:59:03,279
dive into that it's a live video stream

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02:59:07,590 --> 02:59:05,120
on thursday nights and then the episode

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02:59:08,150 --> 02:59:07,600
is a podcast on fridays now we have

4554
02:59:10,870 --> 02:59:08,160
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4555
02:59:12,269 --> 02:59:10,880
right there at jimmy church radio you

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02:59:14,429 --> 02:59:12,279
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4558
02:59:18,990 --> 02:59:17,040
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02:59:23,269 --> 02:59:20,319
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4561
02:59:24,740 --> 02:59:23,279
dave you and your million kids and your

4562
02:59:26,230 --> 02:59:24,750
five million grandkids

4563
02:59:28,150 --> 02:59:26,240
[Laughter]

4564
02:59:30,870 --> 02:59:28,160
be safe and be well man thank you so

4565
02:59:32,469 --> 02:59:30,880
much stay safe thank you all fader knots

4566
02:59:33,510 --> 02:59:32,479
i appreciate the time and the uh love

4567
02:59:35,110 --> 02:59:33,520
you've been showing tonight

4568
02:59:37,030 --> 02:59:35,120
take care jimmy i'll see you again

4569
02:59:39,110 --> 02:59:37,040
darkness dave schrader

4570
02:59:40,309 --> 02:59:39,120
the absolute very best thank you dave

4571
02:59:42,389 --> 02:59:40,319
and we just went

4572
02:59:44,630 --> 02:59:42,399
uh bumper to bumper pulled a pole i got

4573
02:59:47,429 --> 02:59:44,640
to go straight to the credits

4574
02:59:48,870 --> 02:59:47,439
so thank you dave thank you giorgio

4575
02:59:50,550 --> 02:59:48,880
suclose

4576
02:59:52,230 --> 02:59:50,560
what a great night on the show i want to

4577
02:59:52,790 --> 02:59:52,240
remind everybody tomorrow night spader

4578
02:59:55,990 --> 02:59:52,800
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4579
02:59:57,910 --> 02:59:56,000
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4580
02:59:59,830 --> 02:59:57,920
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03:00:01,910 --> 02:59:59,840
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4582
03:00:03,990 --> 03:00:01,920
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4583
03:00:04,790 --> 03:00:04,000
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03:00:08,830 --> 03:00:07,380
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03:00:36,070 --> 03:00:34,319
thursday night it's fader night open

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03:00:38,950 --> 03:00:36,080
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4602
03:00:41,670 --> 03:00:38,960
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03:00:57,890 --> 03:00:41,680
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